>From a very crude look at the VO seatpost on their website, it seems
like it has significantly less setback than the Nitto. There's also
that issue, a-la-G.P, 'if you're gonna put that much setback in, it
better be steel'. This post basically took my Quickbeam from an 'off-
the-rack' feel to custom tailored (I probably should have gotten a 66
frame, but got a 64 because of inaccurate PBH measurement). I expect
it to do the same for the other 64cm frame it's going on, and if
that's the case, it's well worth the high cost (and I expect it to
last several lifetimes).

The S-84 can be had for $150 (w. shipping) from these guys, who I can
vouch for after buying one from them previously:
http://www.bikemania.biz/Nitto_Seatpost_S84_Lugged_Steel_Seatpost_p/nitto_s84.htm

On Jan 12, 1:09 am, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I got one of those for Xmas, and really like the two bolt design.  I am
> worried about the clamping area as it seems much narrower than a Nitto,
> Thomspon, or brand X clamp.  Seems like it could concentrate vibrations over
> a smaller area and lead to fatigue on the saddle rails.  Time will tell...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 10:06 AM, NickBull <nick.bike.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's a little unclear just how much setback the Nitto lugged seatpost
> > has.  Rivendell says it has 15mm more than the Crystal Fellow, and on
> > AEBike's website, it says that the Crystal Fellow has 14mm of setback,
> > so that would imply that the lugged seatpost has around 30mm of
> > setback.
>
> > That's the same amount of setback as the Velo Orange Grand Cru
> > seatpost, 30.2mm.  I've been riding one of those for a little over a
> > month and it is a really nice 2-bolt seatpost.  Much less expensive
> > than the Nitto, though not as blingy of course.
>
> > Nick
>
> > On Jan 9, 6:19 pm, Mike S <mikeshalj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Well, based on that near-certainty of bent rails based on what I want
> > > to do, it seems another $150 Nitto S-84 seatpost & B17 combo is in
> > > order for me. It is strange that S.A would design rails that lend
> > > themselves to failure-inducing experiments, but I'm glad I can learn
> > > from experience.
>
> > > Life shure is tougher for us long-legged, long-armed dudes... but who
> > > can whine about having a fancy lugged seatpost?
>
> > > On Jan 9, 4:58 pm, "Bill M." <bmenn...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > No Bomba in my stable!
>
> > > > It didn't take anything extreme, just having the saddle too far back,
> > > > a seatpost clamp that didn't support the rails properly (an old
> > > > American Classic) and my 180 lb body were enough to bend the rails.
> > > > As I said, I bent them back and I still ride the saddle, but with a
> > > > different post and a less extreme position.
>
> > > > Jason,
>
> > > > If the mfg. says "don't do this" and you do anyway, don't you own some
> > > > responsibility for the results?
>
> > > > Bill
>
> > > > On Jan 9, 9:33 am, Philip Williamson <philip.william...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jan 8, 9:49 pm, "Bill M." <bmenn...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > "Bent Frame Wire - A small number of saddles have been replaced in
> > the
> > > > > > past two years due to frame wire bending during a ride. These first
> > > > > > happened exclusively with mountain bike riders doing extreme
> > riding.
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > They aren't kidding.  Ask how I know...
>
> > > > > Hucking your Bombadil?
>
> > > > >  Philip
>
> > > > >  Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
>
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> David
> Redlands, CA
>
> *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would
> probably benefit more from
> improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS

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