My question is, put delicately, how many, if any. like the Berthoud because it is French, and, how many dislike it because it is French. Anyone? JimP > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:10:11 -0800 > Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring > From: leec...@gmail.com > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > Joel and Clayton: > > I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin > than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it > to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the > Apsin? > > Thanks, > Lee > San Francisco, CA > > On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Clayton Scott <clayton...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt through > > my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud touring > > saddle. > > I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is a > > little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough > > room accommodate my sitbones. The shape seems perfect for me. > > The craftsmanship is stunning compared to Brooks. > > Compared to the now incredibly saggy brooks it does feel a lot firmer. I did > > ride a 200k permanent within a few weeks of owning it and toward the end I > > did have to ride out of the saddle occasionally to give my slightly > > protesting sitbones some relief. It was not agonizing and only started > > setting in during the last few miles but was noticeable and distracting > > nevertheless. (Still significantly better than having the metal frame of the > > b.17 dig into me though.). So far the Berthoud is perfect for up to a 100 > > miles and I expect it to get even more comfortable as the saddle and I get > > more used to eachother. > > I purchased mine from Rene Herse Bicycles who lets you try the saddle for 60 > > days and return it if you don't like it. I suggest you give it try. > > > > Best, > > Clayton Scott > > SF, CA > > > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > > > I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't > > > > work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide > > > > aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. > > > > > My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city > > > saddles). I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more > > > comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks. > > > > > Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend to > > > need frequent tightening. Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and copy > > > that model? > > > > > On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: > > > > > Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in > > > > > optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as > > > > > well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. > > > > > > I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't > > > > work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide > > > > aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > >http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. >
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