I like the look and feel of the B17S. I looked at the Berthoud also
but I couldn't get past the $200 price tag and aesthetically I don't
find them pleasing. When I see them the first thing I see is plastic.
They remind of the faux leather saddles my lbs carries. They have a
lot of plastic on them too.

But like with cycling shorts it really is personal preference and fit.
The saddles and cycling short are really hard to evaluate because
there's so many different body types.

On Jan 11, 10:06 am, NickBull <nick.bike.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It's a little unclear just how much setback the Nitto lugged seatpost
> has.  Rivendell says it has 15mm more than the Crystal Fellow, and on
> AEBike's website, it says that the Crystal Fellow has 14mm of setback,
> so that would imply that the lugged seatpost has around 30mm of
> setback.
>
> That's the same amount of setback as the Velo Orange Grand Cru
> seatpost, 30.2mm.  I've been riding one of those for a little over a
> month and it is a really nice 2-bolt seatpost.  Much less expensive
> than the Nitto, though not as blingy of course.
>
> Nick
>
> On Jan 9, 6:19 pm, Mike S <mikeshalj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well, based on that near-certainty of bent rails based on what I want
> > to do, it seems another $150 Nitto S-84 seatpost & B17 combo is in
> > order for me. It is strange that S.A would design rails that lend
> > themselves to failure-inducing experiments, but I'm glad I can learn
> > from experience.
>
> > Life shure is tougher for us long-legged, long-armed dudes... but who
> > can whine about having a fancy lugged seatpost?
>
> > On Jan 9, 4:58 pm, "Bill M." <bmenn...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > No Bomba in my stable!
>
> > > It didn't take anything extreme, just having the saddle too far back,
> > > a seatpost clamp that didn't support the rails properly (an old
> > > American Classic) and my 180 lb body were enough to bend the rails.
> > > As I said, I bent them back and I still ride the saddle, but with a
> > > different post and a less extreme position.
>
> > > Jason,
>
> > > If the mfg. says "don't do this" and you do anyway, don't you own some
> > > responsibility for the results?
>
> > > Bill
>
> > > On Jan 9, 9:33 am, Philip Williamson <philip.william...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Jan 8, 9:49 pm, "Bill M." <bmenn...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > "Bent Frame Wire - A small number of saddles have been replaced in the
> > > > > past two years due to frame wire bending during a ride. These first
> > > > > happened exclusively with mountain bike riders doing extreme riding.
> > > > ...
> > > > > They aren't kidding.  Ask how I know...
>
> > > > Hucking your Bombadil?
>
> > > >  Philip
>
> > > >  Philip Williamsonwww.biketinker.com
>
>

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