from your images Eric, besides your complaining about the width, your bars 
seem to be too parallel to the ground. Bosco's work great when tilted down. 

I personally don't see any issues with the replacement bar though, being 
bar-curious and willing to try most things. 

On Friday, January 24, 2025 at 2:55:16 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> I support the bar change. I really disliked the Bosco on the Clem I had: 
> too narrow, and if I wasn’t sitting bolt upright, the hand placement on the 
> bar was poor  
>
> I’m glad they changed the tires too. Those Kenda Kwik Nines were the worst 
> tire I’ve ever ridden:
>
> https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2017/09/a-summer-fling-with-clem.html?m=1
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Friday, January 24, 2025, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't understand the bar change either, Clems are just right with 
>> Boscos. 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20250124_113659.jpg]
>> On Friday, January 24, 2025 at 8:01:23 AM UTC-8 Richard Rose wrote:
>>
>> There are a couple of interesting changes to the Clem frames? First looks 
>> to be the downtube shifter mounts with the domed fittings that look to 
>> include barrel adjusters. The second is the scalloped seat stay caps, which 
>> I love. I am just a bit bewildered by the handlebar change.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2025, at 10:42 AM, Doug H. <dhansf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I like the colors and the upgrades. The shifters seem more Rivendellian 
>> which is a good thing.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, January 24, 2025 at 3:28:05 AM UTC-5 John wrote:
>>
>> Pre-order page is up with pics of the complete Clems. 
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/clem-completes-2025
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 11, 2025 at 11:24:33 AM UTC-6 schralp wrote:
>>
>> I am for sure since I lost everything including my beloved platy in the 
>> firestorm. 
>>
>> -Bill
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 8:20 AM Johnny Alien <johnny....@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> So beyond the questionable replacement of the Tosco bars with the Billie 
>> bars this is probably (and by probably I mean it pretty much definitely is) 
>> the absolute best stock Clem build they have offered so far. Silver hubs, 
>> great tires, silver shifters....totally stacked. Anyone in on getting one? 
>>
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