Forgot to mention, if I would have done what Bill mentions above, I likely would have never had the original issue.
On Sunday, September 8, 2024 at 5:52:57 PM UTC-4 Jay wrote: > I can't recall if I had started a thread or contributed to one when I had > stripped the binder bolt on my Roadini, but as I recall, I went to a local > nut/bolt store with the stripped one in hand. I bought 4 new bolts with > nuts (one set is in my seat bag ;-). The original nut has some plastic or > something within it (I can't recall the name?), and the store told me not > to use that style (plus they didn't have it - so who knows which is > better). Anyhow, I used the new bolt and nut, blue thread lock on the > bolt, and a bit of anti-seize compound on the post. I put a bit of tape on > the back of my post to check for slippage. That was a few months ago and > so far so good (and I've loosened the bolt once to drop the post a bit; a > few weeks ago, and still good). > > On Sunday, September 8, 2024 at 4:43:06 PM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Man, you all jinxed me. I’ve not experienced post slippage on either of >> my two Riv’s. Or so I thought. All the talk of greasing binder bolts caused >> me to double check. On my Clem the post had actually slipped incrementally >> over time. It was about 2cm low. The bolt was greased but I made sure it >> was more thorough on reassembly. My Gus was similarly greased but I cleaned >> / regreased anyway. Snugged it up nicely with a “T” handle wrench & went >> for a beautiful 12 mile singletrack ride. It was so good and so beautiful I >> decided to do a second lap. I hit a bump (one of many) and you’d have >> thought I had a dropper post! I always carry a multi tool - but not today. >> I took a shortcut back to car & called it a day. >> So.., what is the prevailing opinion on proper torque for these things? >> Mine was tight enough that cranking it any more would take some effort. I >> do not want to break a bolt as has happened to others here. Thanks in >> advance for your valued input. >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Sep 4, 2024, at 7:14 PM, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Just to close the loop, when I said in my Original Post that I >> disassembled 100% of the stuff that was assembled, the purpose of that step >> was to grease everything that needs grease, including the seat post bolt. >> The most important place for grease is between the head of the bolt and >> the lug itself. On the threads is nice also. Grease up that bolt, so you >> can easily snug it up. >> >> >> Bill Lindsay >> El Cerrito, CA >> On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 7:41:42 AM UTC-7 mvie...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> >> busted << >>> Hi Dan - no, I did not grease the binder bolt when I built up the bike. >>> Rivendell's instructions even called that out - grease the binder bolt. >>> I'll do that today and give it a go. (i'll probably try to replace the >>> bolt, as i probably went beyond the elastic stretch of the bolt....) >>> >>> I joking said to my wife that I'm not used to new bikes, so I thought >>> maybe everything was too clean. >>> Also - here at work - when I've dealt with fasteners we don't grease >>> them. The allowed finishing / plating probably has some lubricating >>> properties in a more controlled fashion. >>> >>> Thanks for the input / feedback / reminder / dope slap! >>> Happy Trails >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 at 6:50:23 AM UTC-4 Dan wrote: >>> >>>> Mark, >>>> >>>> Have you checked that the seatpost binder bolt is greased? >>>> On my new Appaloosa, it wasn’t. I was having slipping issues until one >>>> day I tried to tighten it too hard and the bolt snapped. >>>> A new bolt, well-greased, and I never had a problem again. Didn’t need >>>> to tighten much either! All this with the stock kalloy seatpost. >>>> On Monday 2 September 2024 at 11:04:42 UTC+9:30 mvie...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> hi Bill >>>>> I see you're using a NITTO S83 seatpost. >>>>> Any issues with the post slipping? Or do you 'feel' you're cranking on >>>>> the seat binder bolt much more than the Rivendell recommended 10N-m ? >>>>> >>>>> I'm asking as my stock-build Kalloy post slips. I don't know the >>>>> amount of torque I'm applying to the seat binder bolt, but I'm certain >>>>> I'm >>>>> apply much more than the 10N-m. I've added a bit of carbon paste to to >>>>> the >>>>> seattube. Still slipped a bit. >>>>> I've gone a head and ordered a NITTO S65. In the past I've had >>>>> something very similar to the stock-build (single clamp) Kalloy before >>>>> and >>>>> I'm not a fan of of how the seat-rail clamp mates up with the top of the >>>>> post. >>>>> >>>>> I need to post some updates to my thread. I did an 80 miler to Detroit >>>>> yesterday, and a shorter dirt road ride today. >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Mark >>>>> On Sunday, September 1, 2024 at 3:15:57 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I had a few self-imposed procedural responsibilities in my stable >>>>>> that delayed my first ride on my 7of9with10on5 RoadUno. I had planned >>>>>> on >>>>>> doing my September Diablo Summit, but stayed up a little late last night >>>>>> and slept in a little long this morning. So instead I did my very >>>>>> standard >>>>>> Grizzly Peak route. Executive summary: 23 miles, 2500 feet of climbing, >>>>>> splendid bike. Zero tweaks needed or planned. Perfect weather. >>>>>> >>>>>> tl/dr >>>>>> >>>>>> Even though the bike has my 7of9with10on5 drivetrain, I decided to >>>>>> use it as its core design intended, as a two-speed. I left the chain on >>>>>> the 18 cog in back and didn't touch my seat tube mounted Rear shifter. >>>>>> On >>>>>> the 23 mile ride I shifted exactly twice. I started in "low" (26x18) >>>>>> and >>>>>> road out to the of Grizzly Peak. One roadie passed me on the climb. He >>>>>> was probably 30 pounds lighter than me and he was on a ~$10k Parlee. He >>>>>> passed me, but he had to work to do it. At the top of Grizzly I stopped >>>>>> to >>>>>> take a photo: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53964112524/in/album-72177720319657823 >>>>>> >>>>>> I left it in "low" as I coasted down the steep descent to Fish Ranch >>>>>> Road (max speed 32.2mph). Then I finished the second climb to the end of >>>>>> Grizzly Peak. When I turned right onto Skyline/Old Tunnel, I shifted >>>>>> into >>>>>> "high" (38x18) and descended into Berkeley. I stopped at Domingo Peet's >>>>>> and waited in the long line at Fournee Bakery. There were lots of >>>>>> students >>>>>> out along the high-side of the UC Berkeley campus. I think it's rush >>>>>> weekend for the greek organizations. I continued to North Berkeley and >>>>>> shifted back into "low" to climb up Arlington Ave to home. >>>>>> >>>>>> The bike was a delight. It's definitely an upright road bike, and >>>>>> it's exceedingly easy to ride. I rode gloveless and the texture of my >>>>>> Vans >>>>>> grips and the roughness of shellacked Newbaums on the forward curves of >>>>>> the >>>>>> stock Choco bars make me think I'll probably run thin gloves In the >>>>>> future. >>>>>> My 700x35 Gravel Kings were kind of skinny for the lousy pavement on >>>>>> the >>>>>> Old Tunnel Road descent. Maybe I'll swap on the 700x43s that are on the >>>>>> stock wheels, or maybe I'll just swap over to the stock wheels >>>>>> wholesale. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are some loud complainers lamenting what the RoadUno became, >>>>>> because I think they wanted something more like a single speed >>>>>> Hunqapillar. >>>>>> My enthusiasm for this bike was based on the idea that there's never >>>>>> been >>>>>> a bike quite like this, and I was eager to just let it be what it is and >>>>>> enjoy it for that. I'm definitely all-in on that idea now. With its >>>>>> long >>>>>> wheelbase and comparatively slack head angle it is indeed very smooth >>>>>> and >>>>>> stable as a road bike. With a nice long front center, there's not even >>>>>> a >>>>>> threat of TCO. I think this is going to make a really good S24O and >>>>>> touring bike. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also of note, it was new shoes day. I haven't been riding flats >>>>>> much, and so I don't have a proper set of Adidas Sambas or the >>>>>> equivalent. >>>>>> My wife didn't like the colors that Zappos had for Sambas, so we >>>>>> substituted Puma Palermos. I liked them very much for the first ride >>>>>> out. >>>>>> Pics prove that: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53964034033/in/album-72177720316423417 >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm super pleased with my new build and look forward to establishing >>>>>> its place in my stable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 5:31:59 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> An old derailleur has a lot of things going for it. Just note that >>>>>>> the drive side chainstay is totally unprotected. That's why I wrapped >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> in Newbaums. A purpose built tensioner tends to have a stronger >>>>>>> spring, >>>>>>> and a clutch RD would also have slap-preventing features. It's a road >>>>>>> bike, and that's why I've chosen a rear derailleur and good chainstay >>>>>>> slap >>>>>>> protection. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 3:31:54 PM UTC-7 Nick A. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In an attempt to bring this back to the original build talk- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mr. Lindsay, I'm loving your build and hope it serves you well. >>>>>>>> Brilliant move on the seatpost mounted RD shifter. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In light of a few posts mentioning chain tensioners, I'd like to >>>>>>>> add to the group saying "use an old derailleur". I used a Shimano >>>>>>>> RX-100. >>>>>>>> To hold it in place, I cut an old spoke down and it's been working >>>>>>>> great. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nick, falls church va >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 2:23:10 PM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Exactly! The years long mystery has been solved.... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 11:12:18 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's only the case if one deliberately misrepresents the size >>>>>>>>>> of bicycles in the context of sloping top tubes. Are you >>>>>>>>>> speculating that >>>>>>>>>> Patrick Moore was teasingly threatening to broadcast to the world >>>>>>>>>> "Grant >>>>>>>>>> insists that I ride a bike 6cm smaller than what I asked for!"? If >>>>>>>>>> Patrick >>>>>>>>>> Moore did that, it would be a deliberate misrepresentation. I guess >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> somebody threatened Grant "I'm going to deliberately misrepresent >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> bicycle designs to the public" then it would be perfectly natural >>>>>>>>>> for Grant >>>>>>>>>> to respond "Don't you dare". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 26, 2024 at 7:56:06 AM UTC-7 Edwin W wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A (ish) That while Grant was proselytizing that everyone has >>>>>>>>>>> been undersized and should be on bigger sizes, for this guy who >>>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>>> has embraced that big frame idea and small bit of seat post showing >>>>>>>>>>> for a >>>>>>>>>>> long time Grant is actually going to be DOWN sizing him to a 54. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Edwin >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What was it that Patrick Moore teasingly threatened to >>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast that Grant did not want broadcast? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A. That Grant would design a 54cm frame for an adult human that >>>>>>>>>>>> thinks they need a 60cm frame? >>>>>>>>>>>> B. That Grant would allow "road" tubing to be used in an >>>>>>>>>>>> all-rounder clone? >>>>>>>>>>>> C. That Grant would charge for a custom what was actually just >>>>>>>>>>>> an All-Rounder and not a new design? >>>>>>>>>>>> D. Some other thing? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 7:09:46 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You've told that story a hundred times, and I still don't >>>>>>>>>>>>> comprehend what the "this" is that you were threatening to >>>>>>>>>>>>> broadcast but >>>>>>>>>>>>> that Grant did not want you to broadcast. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, August 25, 2024 at 1:50:28 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol. When I ordered my first road custom in late 1994 I asked >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grant to build me a road bike like my '92 XO-1 but "better." (He >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said, "Oh, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it'll be better.") >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He used the AR as a basic template tho' with road tubing and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lugs, so it was 54 cm c-c (again, I'm 60 c-c for a level tt >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fistful road >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike). I told him teasingly that I was going to broadcast this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- even then >>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was known for proselytizing about big frames -- and he said, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Don't you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dare." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 25, 2024 at 6:57 AM Sarah Carlson < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sarahlik...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Their gentle suggestion... "Do not EVEN try to get Grant to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do this." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 8:02:12 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will asked for a curated photo-shoot this morning. Of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course I was happy to oblige. Will indicated it was Grant who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> concerned that others would demand that Riv replicate the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treatment, which is why Will put in the language that Riv >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't replicate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my build. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BL in EC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4a2a7d8c-675b-49e5-9c8d-e50c9ffc0644n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/4a2a7d8c-675b-49e5-9c8d-e50c9ffc0644n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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