"Not sure if I need a BB swap to go to the 3 ring"

The "big ring" position is occupied by a guard, so you won't need a 
different BB.  Just pull the guard and put on your big ring in its place.  

BL in EC

On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 1:08:40 PM UTC-7 mvie...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Eric - I was planning on a 3x1 set up from the get go. I already 
> ordered/received the 44t ring, the DT shifter, the Melvinator. I ordered up 
> the RoadUno complete, so going 3x...2IGH (?) will just be a wheel swap from 
> the stock wheel after I set up the 3x1.  First bunch of rides will be 1x1, 
> since it's my understanding that's how I'm getting it. 
>
> Not sure if I need a BB swap to go to the 3 ring circus... crankset. I 
> think I got a few BB rolling around the parts bin.
> Hopefully photos tomorrow!
> mark v. 
>
> On Friday, August 23, 2024 at 3:35:41 PM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I think I would try this experiment with a really cheap rear 
>> derailleur from the co-op, not a Paul Melvin. But that's just me.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 23, 2024 at 11:18 AM Mark V <mvie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bill - 
>>> My S-A 2sp does not have a coaster bake. So:  Rim Brakes 4ever!  (both 
>>> front and rear) 
>>> I'm using a Paul Melvinator (high zoot!). I read - either at the Paul 
>>> Comp website or Rivendell - it can accommodate 20t difference for the 
>>> chainrings. 
>>>
>>> How the tensioner interacts with the kick back mechanism will be a bit 
>>> of a SheldonBrown style experiment. I get your point - there's going to be 
>>> some kind of finickiness between the chain tensioner and the force to shift 
>>> when back pedaling. 
>>> I'll have to start a thread on if it works or not. Maybe grab different 
>>> deraiilleurs and set up a Design of Experiments!
>>>
>>> I'm expecting fun - as soon as UPS gets it to me.... I missed the 
>>> delivery this AM, as they moved the time up by more than 2 hours. :| 
>>> Mark V. 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 7:29:01 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>> "and (just noticed)  3 x 6  in the Flickr pages?"
>>>>
>>>> My RoadUno is 2x7.  It's the stock 38/26 in front, and 12-28 in back  
>>>>
>>>> "I'm probably going to use a 2spd kick back hub (yes, they are 
>>>> heavy....) with a 3 ring set up."
>>>>
>>>> How will that work?  If you run a 3-ring setup with a front derailleur 
>>>> you'll need a tensioner of some kind.  If you run a 2 speed kickback hub 
>>>> you'll need to NOT run a tensioner of any kind.  
>>>> Will it be a 2-speed kickback setup with no tensioner, and you can 
>>>> manually move the wheel to accommodate one of the three rings?  If you do 
>>>> that, then you need new rear brake setup for each wheel position.  Will it 
>>>> be front brake only?  
>>>>
>>>> Have fun with it, whatever you do.
>>>>
>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 3:16:11 PM UTC-7 mvie...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've got an Ana Purple RoadUno showing up tomorrow, Friday.  (first 
>>>>> bike purchase from Rivendell...) 
>>>>> I'm temporarily on weight lifting restrictions (thanks, cataract!), so 
>>>>> I've recruited my son to lend me a hand. Maybe I lend him a beer or 
>>>>> something...
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as going fixed, I saw that the RoadUno page (one of them, can't 
>>>>> recall which) recommends against doing so, as the bottom bracket drop is 
>>>>> relatively low (80mm drop?) . 
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the early build pics and tips. -- and (just noticed)  3 x 
>>>>> 6  in the Flickr pages?   I'm probably going to use a 2spd kick back hub 
>>>>> (yes, they are heavy....) with a 3 ring set up. 
>>>>> Cheers. 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, August 22, 2024 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Keith 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What exactly are you after?  Are you looking to build a Roaduno fixed 
>>>>>> with zero brakes and need to know max fenderless tire size you can run 
>>>>>> on 
>>>>>> your fixie?  Are you plotting a cantilever conversion on a Roaduno?  Do 
>>>>>> you 
>>>>>> have a particular tire size that you must have, or is it just you need 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> know the absolute largest tire that will fit without fenders.  Have you 
>>>>>> asked Rivendell to do these measurements for you?  If you are in market 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> buy a frame and since they have lots of frames, maybe that's their job?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will be taking some Garage Door photos for Will, so he can put my 
>>>>>> build in the Riv email newsletter.  At that time, I'll try to capture 
>>>>>> what 
>>>>>> you may be after.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 11:03:50 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Beautiful, Bill.  I suspect you'll be responsible for a number of 
>>>>>>> new Roaduno sales in the near future, as people see your bike.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you have time, would you mind sharing some close-up pictures of 
>>>>>>> tire clearances at the chain stays, seat stay brake bridge bridge and 
>>>>>>> fork 
>>>>>>> crown areas?   You build too quickly.  What I've really been dying to 
>>>>>>> know 
>>>>>>> is how big of a tire can be fit WITHOUT caliper brakes installed.  
>>>>>>> (I've 
>>>>>>> been half-heartedly toying with a couple of alternative brake ideas 
>>>>>>> since 
>>>>>>> the Roaduno project shifted from a canti-clem to a caliper-homer 
>>>>>>> format.)  
>>>>>>> I dont expect you to disassmle or try different tires but, for anyone 
>>>>>>> else 
>>>>>>> reading this and getting ready to start their own build, I'd appreciate 
>>>>>>> any 
>>>>>>> insights if it's convenient.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 9:32:35 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good initial instruction, good tools, and lots of practice.  That's 
>>>>>>>> my formula for developing that confidence and mechanics' instinct.  I 
>>>>>>>> think 
>>>>>>>> most procedures really sink in after you fail one or more times, but 
>>>>>>>> failing at this operation on a new frame would be a bummer.  If you 
>>>>>>>> are 
>>>>>>>> nervous, have a pro do it.  If you want the practice, find a pro that 
>>>>>>>> will 
>>>>>>>> oversee you doing it.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BL in EC
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 21, 2024 at 8:12:56 AM UTC-7 Michael Connors 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Bill. I am nervous about running a tap in the RD hanger.  How 
>>>>>>>>> do you make sure that you are in the existing thread and not cutting 
>>>>>>>>> a new 
>>>>>>>>> one?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thread chasing was necessary on the RD hanger, but it was aligned 
>>>>>>>>> perfectly.  Most but not all of the H2O bolt and fender bolt bosses 
>>>>>>>>> were 
>>>>>>>>> already chased.  It was all straightforward prep for a mechanic.  
>>>>>>>>> There was 
>>>>>>>>> no BB cable guide included, but I had those on-hand.  I installed a 
>>>>>>>>> Shimano 
>>>>>>>>> CX70 front der and a White Industries DOS ENO 16/19 freewheel.  I 
>>>>>>>>> installed 
>>>>>>>>> a Suntour Sprint down tube shifter on the shifter boss, with my own 
>>>>>>>>> custom 
>>>>>>>>> machined stop that causes it to sit proud of the down tube in the 
>>>>>>>>> small-ring position.  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With the faceplater stem pretty much slammed, and the saddle at my 
>>>>>>>>> height, I'm happy at the silhouette of the bike.  I'm eager to get a 
>>>>>>>>> chain 
>>>>>>>>> on it and start riding it.  
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have a look:  
>>>>>>>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720319657823
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bill Lindsay
>>>>>>>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>>>>>>>
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