While the printed specs say 23mm for the Nitto and 24mm for the Kalloy, if the Kalloy uses a similar head to their other posts it's also considerably shorter in length than the Nitto.(measure the raid head front to back) What that means is the Nitto having a longer clamp will feel more solid than a seapost with a shorter clamp. I recall the difference between a Kalloy head and a Campy head being something 10mm overall. So while the Kalloy can thus fit further back giving the effect of more setback, it also concentrates the stress on the rails to a notably smaller area. It's like trying to grab a rod with 4 fingers rather than 3, see which one is more stable from a rocking motion. I won't buy any seatpost with a small clamp ! On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 4:11:09 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
> Fun fact I discovered during a short window of time when I had a Nitto > S65, S83 *and *the stock MIT Kalloy that comes on production Rivs: the > Kalloy has more setback than both Nittos 🤔 > > Joe Bernard, Rocket Scientist > > On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 12:47:06 PM UTC-8 Tim Baldwin wrote: > >> Thanks for taking initiative on the 26.8 lugged seatpost Leah! I'll take >> two! >> >> That is one ugly expensive seatpost Garth! >> >> What I really want is to be about 1cm back from where an S83 post places >> me. I'm guessing the majority of the interested folks are in a similar >> boat. I don't need all the extreme setback of the SR MTE-100 or IRD >> seatposts but it gets me where I want to be. I would much prefer a fixed >> two bolt clamp design with the clamp set further back. A 26.8 S84 would do >> just while also being one of the best looking seatposts around. >> On Wednesday, November 24, 2021 at 12:55:36 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote: >> >>> "it's not rocket science" >>> >>> It's a 26.8 post but 27.2 at the top and one bolt holds the saddle but >>> you gotta get it really tight or it'll slip no that's not tight enough you >>> need grease or Blue Loctite or maybe valve grinding compound also a long >>> wrench good luck. >>> >>> It's rocket science. >>> >>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 11:13:36 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote: >>> >>>> It *would *be nice to see that S84 in 26.8. Since most Rivs come that >>>> way now. Hey Grant! >>>> >>>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 8:26:56 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ugh...that's a drag. I wonder if it's worth contacting IRD? Maybe this >>>>> is a defect they should address. Or even better maybe Riv has a hack they >>>>> can suggest. I know they would be happy to help you, Leah. Or the wisdom >>>>> of >>>>> ROB? The other nice post with lots of setback and 2 bolts is Paul's Tall >>>>> and Handsome...but it's not available in 26.8. And, of course, not >>>>> cheap...north of $200 , say $220? Anyway, somebody, can't remember who, >>>>> said it's not exactly plug-and-play with seat posts and it looks like >>>>> they >>>>> weren't wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway...I do hope for your sake a solution can be found. >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 8:51:49 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding >>>>> Ding! wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ryan, this could be the case. I took the bike out for another 11 >>>>>> miles tonight. I made sure to put my weight on it on bumps to see if I >>>>>> could loosen that bolt/clamp. I have a pretty fast mile descent with >>>>>> lots >>>>>> of bumps. It did come loose. I periodically jumped off to make minor >>>>>> adjustments and check the bolt, and often, it was coming loose. >>>>>> >>>>>> By the time I got home there was a ticking noise in the saddle. I >>>>>> tightened everything having anything to do with that seat post and >>>>>> saddle. >>>>>> I will see what tomorrow brings but it’s not looking good for this seat >>>>>> post. Which is unfortunate, because I really loved the setback and the >>>>>> little measurement tool on the side. Great ideas. >>>>>> >>>>>> At this point I may go back to the annoying stock seat post (which >>>>>> has a tiny bit more setback than the S83) and maybe get the stem in a >>>>>> 100. >>>>>> That’s as long of a reach as they make in that tall stem. Sigh. So sad. >>>>>> L >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 22, 2021, at 6:33 PM, Ryan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> you're right about that Joe, of course. If you're running a >>>>>> saddlebag. If Leah's IRD is loosening and going out of adjustment for >>>>>> no >>>>>> good reason....that's ugly..and potentially dangerous. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Google turned up this: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1.0 out of 5 stars Heavy, expensive, and it slips... *The clamp >>>>>> mechanism is poorly designed. It will clamp the saddle securely at the >>>>>> desired angle, however the clamp mechanism will migrate to the rear of >>>>>> the >>>>>> setback slot and not hold its position. *This in spite of proper >>>>>> installation--grease and required torquing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sounds like this is what Leah talked about. >>>>>> >>>>>> I feel like a 2-bolt design is more robust...and since I am not as >>>>>> svelte as I would like, I feel more secure with the 2-bolter S83's >>>>>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 5:16:25 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The lugged post is lovely and I recommend it for the setback, but we >>>>>>> all need to remember one thing when deciding if a post is ugly or >>>>>>> pretty: >>>>>>> Most of us put a strap around the dang things and block it with a >>>>>>> saddlebag, then our legs do the rest. No one can see the post! 🤣 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 2:55:28 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That bolt? Was wondering that myself. A solution in search of a >>>>>>>> problem? Leah, that sucks that your seatpost didn't hold your >>>>>>>> adjustment. >>>>>>>> I've been reading this thread with a lot of interest because I think >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> custom I bought in 2016 needs a seatpost with more setback; right now >>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>> using the S83. But I feel too far forward with the mixte geometry ; >>>>>>>> I'd >>>>>>>> like to be butt back and pivoting a little more forward. I don't love >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> IRD, it's ugly IMO. Maybe the lugged Nitto is the answer. I quickly >>>>>>>> checked >>>>>>>> the build list for my mixte...and yes, it's a frame tht takes a 27.2 >>>>>>>> seatpost. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 3:17:23 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Always be learning, right Joe!" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Even after all these decades of fiddling with bikes. It never in a >>>>>>>>> million years would have occurred to me that a 26.8 post would be >>>>>>>>> 27.2 at >>>>>>>>> the top. Or have a screw in it. What IS this contraption??! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Joe Bernard >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 22, 2021 at 5:06:25 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One would think, hey I'll buy another seatpost, plug and play. >>>>>>>>>> But, no, there are always complications with bike parts. I hope you >>>>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>>>> the answer but I have no suggestions although I am following the >>>>>>>>>> discussion >>>>>>>>>> to learn. Always be learning, right Joe! >>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 5:39 AM Nick Payne <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Nitto S84 lugged seatpost has more setback than their >>>>>>>>>>> aluminium seatposts... >>>>>>>>>>> [image: 111368887233_691ba91b48_b[1].jpg] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Nick >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic >>>>>>>>>>> in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/DDqsLDEcIi4/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email >>>>>>>>>>> to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7827626e-354a-49c9-a2ab-37b97a43ec10n%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7827626e-354a-49c9-a2ab-37b97a43ec10n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in >>>>>> the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/DDqsLDEcIi4/unsubscribe >>>>>> . >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ec6b6e31-02a2-4ce4-bac5-f9d09af32a9bn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/ec6b6e31-02a2-4ce4-bac5-f9d09af32a9bn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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