That would probably fall under not good, both in the aesthetic department 
and the not ideal for the integrity of the steel department. Are you 
certain it is not a bit of sloppy brazing, or a paint mishap? Can you post 
a photo of the wobbly area?

While you can certainly overheat a tube when brazing or welding, and that 
can affect the tubing to a degree, depending on what kind it is, I don't 
think the heat would be enough to deform the surface in the manner you 
describe. I could be wrong.

On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 4:13:40 AM UTC-4, brendonoid wrote:

>
> *WOBBLY STEEL*: The steel has a deformed surface like a melted candle. 
> The steel has melted from being overheated because of too many joints and 
> too much heat in a concentrated location. I always thought but do not know 
> for sure that it is possible to reverse the annealling benefits of 
> expensive steels during welding/brazing. I am trying to be clear here in 
> text and not snarky.
>
> On Thursday, 6 August 2020 at 01:15:29 UTC+8 S wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 2:27:30 AM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Riv tests its frames and Grant would have the math on this? I would 
>>> think? *shrug*
>>
>>
>> No need to be snarky. I know Riv tests their frames and that they pass 
>> the strictest test for mountain frames. My point was, I don't know if, *in 
>> the specific case of adding a second top tube*, Grant based his decision 
>> on an actual test, or engineering numbers -- that is, did he run some kind 
>> of defection test, see that the larger frames were *flexing 
>> significantly more than smaller frames* and only then decide to add the 
>> second top tube to these larger frames? I doubt it, which isn't to say he 
>> made a bad decision, I just have no evidence he added the second tube to 
>> solve a *serious, known problem.* That's fine. I think it hurts nothing 
>> and looks cool.  
>>
>

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