On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 2:27:30 AM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> Riv tests its frames and Grant would have the math on this? I would think? 
> *shrug*


No need to be snarky. I know Riv tests their frames and that they pass the 
strictest test for mountain frames. My point was, I don't know if, *in the 
specific case of adding a second top tube*, Grant based his decision on an 
actual test, or engineering numbers -- that is, did he run some kind of 
defection test, see that the larger frames were *flexing significantly more 
than smaller frames* and only then decide to add the second top tube to 
these larger frames? I doubt it, which isn't to say he made a bad decision, 
I just have no evidence he added the second tube to solve a *serious, known 
problem.* That's fine. I think it hurts nothing and looks cool.  

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