As to the structural effects of double top tubes: Sure, any such member
will make a difference to the behavior of the frame; the question is
whether this effect serves any useful purpose for the rider. And besides
the question of whether such effects are necessary, there is also the
question of whether added stiffness makes for too much stiffness. I have
learned over the last couple of months that my 2003 Riv custom was in fact
too stiff for me, or at least, stiff in a way that didn't work for me,
compared to the new, less-stiff or differently-stiff frame.

As to the question of aesthetics, I disagree that beauty is entirely
subjective, leaving out the separate question of personal affinities; if it
were, the term would have no meaning; but we all experience something we
can identify as beauty, whether or not we can define it in words, and we
mean something when we talk about it; we're not just making empty sounds.
But that's another question.

On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 12:14 PM Jason Fuller <jtf.ful...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ...I wouldn't want a tube that's truly unnecessary except for appearance,
> but I don't think such a tube exists - it's always going to have some
> effect on the overall stiffness / response of the frame, and it often comes
> with neat things like additional water bottle cages or options for bags,
> etc.
>

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