And in any event, if not on the Roadeo - though the the Roadeo is the perfect match - why not the Hilsen?
On Mar 27, 1:43 pm, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > If I remember it right, the Rodeo is built to the lightest configuration as > > Grant "the conservative" would allow it. Thus, to save weight, even though > > minimal but at least weight-saving, there will be no cantis and no DT studs. > > Much like the racer road bikes in carbon, aluminum and titanium. > > You have a point. Although my counter is that the Racer is a modern > (and lighter) version of the Mafac Competition, a brake that was on > several Tour de France winners in the 1980s. > > I know a lot of amateur racers think highly of their abilities. > Wonder how well they would do on the Tour if they and their no braze > on bikes were put on a way back machine to the 1980s? > > On Mar 27, 11:21 am, "Rene Valbuena" <valbu...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > This brouhaha should not have happened if RBW (and Waterford?) did not agree > > to grant the request to add a DT stud in the first place. Now everybody > > thought we can semi-customize the Rodeo to our liking. The coming out of the > > new Paul's Racer-M further stoked this. We want to semi-customize our Rodeo > > to fit the new brake. > > > If I remember it right, the Rodeo is built to the lightest configuration as > > Grant "the conservative" would allow it. Thus, to save weight, even though > > minimal but at least weight-saving, there will be no cantis and no DT studs. > > Much like the racer road bikes in carbon, aluminum and titanium. > > > n Rene > > > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of cyclotourist > > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:38 AM > > To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Racer M Alive! > > > Better yet, just have the unpainted bike sent to Nobilette and have him > > braze them on. Wait time could be a hassle, but the extra shipping would > > still vastly outweigh W'Ford's upcharge. Sheesh, it's not like've never > > done canti posts before. In fact whatever set up for the first Racer posts > > there is, while a pain (aren't they in the bike building business?) would be > > a sales point as well. "First in the industry to offer mounts for Paul's > > Racer-M" or some such advert. > > > On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 7:04 AM, Dustin Sharp <paleo.v...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I don't understand the Waterford thing either. I don't know about the stays, > > but the tubes I know about on the Roadeo aren't exactly super light and > > thin, unless you are comparing them to the Bombadil. > > > At at least as stout as the Rambo, and stouter than the Legolas, I think, at > > least in the bigger sizes. They are billing it as a light, rackless, go-fast > > bike, but it's still Grant Petersen conservative in its own way. > > > Plus, there are other light tubed bikes (Boulder Bike) where Waterford > > attaches canti studs w/ no fuss. > > > So it would be interesting to have a better explanation for Waterford's > > reticence. > > > As for Waterford, that seemed to me a cop-out > > > > estimate, unless they can explain the issue. They can't be serious > > > unless they're talking about a re-paint as well. I'm having the bosses > > > put on an older frame as we speak, and the cost is more in line with > > > what Joel suggested. Also agree with him on the adjustability - I have > > > center mounts on a single speed that feel and work perfectly, only > > > wish I had them brazed on. > > > > Marty > > > > On Mar 26, 5:47 pm, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > >> Oh, and the reason I say too bad if true is that at first the word > > >> from Riv was no DT braze ons for the Roadeo. Now it is an option. If > > >> demand is there, Riv may well find a way to convince Waterford the > > >> folly of its ways. > > > >> On Mar 26, 4:45 pm, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > > >>> Well, that is too bad if true. > > > >>> The Brazeons modulate better than centerposts. > > > >>> Too strong would never be an issue. Pauls have near infinite and very > > >>> easy adjustability. Once you get the hang of it, in a matter of > > >>> minutes you can set the brakes where they will throw you over the > > >>> handlebars with barely a finger twitch or so slack you need to pull > > >>> the levers to the grip to slow down. > > > >>> On Mar 26, 4:38 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>> Speculating is fun, but I called and asked Keven for the answer. I've > > >>>> talked with him a few times about a Roadeo maybe next year, so I asked > > >>>> how it would work if I wanted Paul Racer posts. He said Waterford is > > >>>> violently opposed to posts. He asked them previously to do it for a > > >>>> customer and they said no. He asked more encouragingly and they > > >>>> reluctantly said "OK for $500 extra". So, in conclusion, he said if I > > >>>> had to have them, we should pursue a Nobillette built Riv custom. So > > >>>> there you have it. You can't get them, but it's no fault of > > >>>> Rivendells. > > > >>>> Keven also pointed out all the obvious common sense things. The > > >>>> center mount ones are already so strong, maybe too strong. What more > > >>>> do you need?. If they are too strong you can replace them with less > > >>>> strong center mount ones. Having a single-source for any of your > > >>>> parts to keep your bike rideable is risky. All correct statements. > > > >>>> On Mar 26, 2:15 pm, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>> There's a post-mount version, so you don't need special braze-ons. > > >>>>>> Though, to maximize function/purpose, the brazeons are the way to go. > > > >>>>> I have experienced original Racers in post mount and braze on. The > > >>>>> post mounts are probaby better than 99% of what is out there today. > > >>>>> The Brazeons are that much better than the post mounts. > > > >>>>> Braze on is a cleaner look and easier to adjust and maintain as well. > > >>>>> Hope Riv agrees. > > > >>>>> On Mar 26, 4:07 pm, Gino Zahnd <ginoza...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>> There's a post-mount version, so you don't need special braze-ons. > > >>>>>> Though, to maximize function/purpose, the brazeons are the way to go. > > > >>>>>> -Gino > > > >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Michael_S > > > <mikeybi...@rocketmail.com> > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>> Boy those polished ones are the cats pajama's! > > > >>>>>>> will Riv add the braze on's to the Roadeo? I can't tell from your > > >>>>>>> "conversation"? > > > >>>>>>> ~Mike~ > > > >>>>>>> On Mar 26, 11:00 am, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> "Hello, Keven? It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these > > >>>>>>>>> brakes? A Roadeo? Sounds perfecto! > > > >>>>>>>> "How much to add braze on mounting posts? $25.00 per post? I am > > in > > >>>>>>>> heaven! > > > >>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 12:05 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> Those are swank! I can't afford not to have a set. > > > >>>>>>>>> "Hello, Keven? It's me Bill, can you sell me a bike to fit these > > >>>>>>>>> brakes? A Roadeo? Sounds perfecto! > > > >>>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 7:52 am, Marty <mgie...@mac.com> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> Very nice option for many builds. Fits 45mm fenders with no brake > > arm > > >>>>>>>>>> interference! > > > >>>>>>>>>>http://www.paulcomp.com/racerm.html-Hidequotedtext- > > > >>>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>>>>>> - Show quoted text - > > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > > > rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com.>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, > > send email to > > >>>>>>> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > <mailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> .>>>>>>> For more > > options, visit this group > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext- > > > >>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > >>> - Show quoted text - > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > <mailto:rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > > > -- > > Cheers, > > David > > Redlands, CA > > > "Bicycling is a big part of the future. 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