Thank you Rene as this is very valuable !   I'm still trying to wrap my 
head around what these bikes handle like compared to the Bombadil I have. I 
also have another sport/touring type frame with less trail which handles 
like every racing bike frame I used to ride, which means the front end 
responds to every little upper body movement.  The Bombadil in comparison 
is resistant in that way, better responding to hip movement.  The sport 
touring bike while standing feels completely different than the Bombadil 
too, almost as if on the Bombadil I'm pushing a wheelbarrow . 

  So with even lower trail than the kind of racing bike likely with mid 
50's trail, would it be even moreso responsive to every upper body movement 
or something altogether different ? 



On Wednesday, June 15, 2016 at 5:07:59 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> Hi Garth,
>
> After my extensive research and e-mail exchanges with Jan, plus my 
> experience with my Atlantis & Hunqapillar, for upright riding, the low 
> trail target should be 40mm. The Rando bikes depicted usually have around 
> 29mm of trail, meant for more forward positioning/fast riding with lower 
> handlebars.
>
> The Atlantis/Hunqapillar have 40mm of trail and ride very well loaded and 
> unloaded; riding them loaded is amazingly nice.
>
> For my custom, I requested 35mm of trail to have a bit more of the "pure 
> low trail" characteristics and also because i'm now riding with my bars 
> almost level with my saddle.
>
> Still, if in doubt, 40mm seems to be the magical most versatile low trail 
> number to go for. And all caveats about getting used to what you ride apply.
>
> Also, the difference in handling between 30 and 40mm of trail is much less 
> than the difference between 40 and 55, according to Jan's articles.
>
> René 
>
>
>

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