I have a hunqapillar and recently built up an ocean air rambler. I'm still playing with the bar height/stem length/seat height/seat setback combo for the rambler and I haven't been on a long ride yet so hard to draw any definitive conclusions. For context, I don't do rando rides, but I do ride with a wald basket and sackville shopsack up front with anything from 2-15 lbs in it. I never felt like the handling was off or needed to feel any different on the hunqapillar. I bought the rambler for other reasons. But that being said, I'm also undecided on how I like the handling of the rambler vs. the hunqapillar. It feels twitchier to me, with or without a load, the hunqapillar feels more stable, but maybe some of that is attributed to dialing in some other things I mentioned. But as others have said, once you're out riding for a bit you kinda don't really notice any more. I really question the low trail thing for front loads because I haven't met a Rivendell that can't handle the front load (and I've owned and ridden a SH, QB, and Cheviot).
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