Hi Garth,

After my extensive research and e-mail exchanges with Jan, plus my
experience with my Atlantis & Hunqapillar, for upright riding, the low
trail target should be 40mm. The Rando bikes depicted usually have around
29mm of trail, meant for more forward positioning/fast riding with lower
handlebars.

The Atlantis/Hunqapillar have 40mm of trail and ride very well loaded and
unloaded; riding them loaded is amazingly nice.

For my custom, I requested 35mm of trail to have a bit more of the "pure
low trail" characteristics and also because i'm now riding with my bars
almost level with my saddle.

Still, if in doubt, 40mm seems to be the magical most versatile low trail
number to go for. And all caveats about getting used to what you ride apply.

Also, the difference in handling between 30 and 40mm of trail is much less
than the difference between 40 and 55, according to Jan's articles.

René

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 3:29 AM, Garth <garth...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>   While I see lots about low trail bikes with drop bars , I have not
> heard/seen much about riding on low trail bikes with long sloping top
> tubes(6+ degrees) and high bars(at least above the saddle height).
> Basically a much higher center of gravity than a drop bar bike.  A recent
> blug post GP mentioned something about this not being so desirable but did
> not elaborate.
>
>    So basically I'm wondering how a Bombadil or Hunq would be with Alba
> type bars at least couple inches above the saddle would be ?
>
> I've considered another Bombadil or even a Hunq type frame but I need more
> front foot-tire/fender clearance than either stock bike offers in 60+cm.
> frames.  I could do this by either going to a low trail design and/or 650b
> wheels but I have no idea how it would ride.
>
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