I started doing randonneuring a few yew years ago. And had a bike built by 
John Fitzgerald for that purpose.
Low trail, lights and fenders wide tires etc… My current bikes are a 2001 
Rivendell custom Long Low, an Atlantis, and a "72 Paramount P13.
The low trail geometry is amazing with or without a front load, it rides so 
stable and feels totally correct. See my frame and 
bike http://www.fitzcyclez.com/frames.html (that's me with my"Juice")
I hate riding my other bikes and I need to sell them. I am a steel, leather 
wool guy all the way and find most of GP's way to be good. But why does he 
build these mid trail bikes? Makes me wonder.
BTW my 63cm Long Low dark red custom Rivendell Joe Stark build and my 64cm 
Atlantis are for sale. So get a low trail and you can go N-2 :)
Tom Dusky
Detroit Randonneurs

On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 at 6:24:31 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> I've been a Rivvy sorta guy for the last ten years, owning several of 
> their bikes and numerous others built up in Riv-inspired ways. Recently 
> I've been reading through back issues of Bicycle Quarterly, and back posts 
> on Jan Heine's blog. It's got me wondering about this whole 
> alternate-universe practical bike thing he describes, which seems to be 
> characterized by low trail steering geometry, flexible frames, and carrying 
> loads up front.
>
> I'd love to try it, but such bikes aren't exactly common. 
>
> Does anyone have experience with both Rivvy (mid-trail, burly rigid frame, 
> carrying stuff all over) and the more French rando / Jan sort of bike? What 
> did you think of each?
>
>
> Reed
>

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