Tim,
Thanks for the info.  I like the SRAM Double Tap also.  The SRAM Rival 1
DoubleTap is on my current AWOL Comp, which has 2x11.   The 105 3x10 was on
my VO Rando and it seemed to work well.  I haven't used Campy yet.  I think
a lot of this will be determined by what RBW has, can get, and is willing
to work with/recommend.

Thanks.

Tim

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Tim Gavin <tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com>
wrote:

> FYI, SRAM doesn't do triples for road bikes.  You can do 2 x 10 or 2 x
> 11.  Other than that limitation, I do like how their Double Tap brifters
> work.  I have a 2 x 10 Rival drivetrain on my plastic (carbon) gravel bike.
>
> I concur that Shimano's STI triples can be a bit picky, but the current
> offerings (3 x 10 Tiagra 4700) and their last-generation ones (3 x 10 5700
> 105 or 6700 Ultegra) work pretty well.
> But, Shimano's stuff tends to work best with their specific cranks (which
> only come in 50/39/30 or 52/39/30), some of which do not have a standard 74
> mm BCD for the granny.  You used to be able to swap in a lower granny, but
> the newest Shimano triples don't allow that any more.
>
> Campagnolo triples are apparently more forgiving.  However, their newer
> shifters have some slightly different technologies (Quickshift, Powershift,
> Ultrashift) that you'd want to learn up on before you choose.  I haven't
> used Campy stuff newer than 8-speed; I have an 8-speed Sachs (made by
> Campy) Ergopower drivetrain on my Roadeo.
>
> I also concur that brazed-on centerpull brakes are the way to go.  Plenty
> of power, good looks.  You have to decide whether you want "standard"
> centerpull posts (for classic brakes like Weinmann/Dia-Compe or Compass
> centerpulls), or whether you want Paul Racer centerpull posts (different
> size).  You'll have to let Riv know soon regarding your choice, so they can
> update the frame build order with Waterford.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Tim (in Iowa)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Tim Butterfield <timbutterfi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> As for components different than the Sam kit, here are some based on my
>> current plan after all of this discussion:
>>
>> 3x10 gearing
>> brifters  (TBD, maybe older Ultegra 6700? or SRAM?)
>> Rando bar (probably Compass 420mm)
>> Barlow Pass EL tires
>> SP dyno wheel
>>
>> Of course, there are also the extras on top of the kit such as:
>>
>> C17 Cambium seat
>> Honjo hammered fenders
>> Rack (TBD)
>> Light (TBD)
>> Bag (TBD)
>> and more
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 06/03/2016 02:50 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>>>
>>>> Patrick,
>>>> I was just going by comments made during the single early research
>>>> conversation I had with Dave, which I could have very easily
>>>> misunderstood.  When I asked him about recommendations for the AHH build,
>>>> it was the same component set as used for the drop bar Sam.
>>>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/build-05.htm
>>>>
>>>> That isn't quite what I was looking for.  I was looking for a bit more
>>>> upscaled build kit, which doesn't really fit with that more value oriented
>>>> kit.  That is what led to the component selection questions in this thread.
>>>>
>>>> I will revisit it and request a higher level component list, even if
>>>> the parts are priced separately instead of as a combined kit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Which components in particular did you feel might better be replaced
>>> with higher level versions?  Just curious...
>>>
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