OK, my post was following on the conversation about SUB-$2000 framesets. 
 That's why I said sub $2000 in my post.  A custom Rivendell frameset  is 
not sub $2000

I also said that people who desperately want really low handlebars on their 
steel bike should probably not come to Rivendell first.  In my opinion, 
Rivendell Bicycle Works is not the best shop to come to if you seek really 
low handlebars.  It is my opinion that it is easy to find a nice steel 
frameset that allows very low handlebars for under $2000.  Trying to force 
a negative rise stem and drop bars onto a Joe Appaloosa would be a very odd 
way to get your bars low, in my opinion.  

Furthermore, a Rivendell custom is not the relationship many people want or 
expect when buying a bespoke frameset.  A Rivendell Custom is not where 
you, the customer tell Rivendell exactly what to build.  A Rivendell Custom 
is where you, the customer, talk to Grant, and Grant elects to design a 
frameset for you, or elects not to.  If you plopped $3500 on the counter 
and insisted on a bike with the bars 10cm below the saddle, Grant would 
hand you your money back, and advise you of many excellent framebuilders 
who would take your business.  Somebody who was fiercely loyal to Rivendell 
and wants the bars 4 or 5cm below the saddle can buy a Roadeo, or a custom. 
 Neither of those is sub-$2000, but the options exist for not-excessive 
amounts of handlebar drop.  



On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 11:05:42 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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>
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> On 01/05/2016 01:55 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Yes they are.  How is that germane to the post I made?
>
>
> Making choices.  Riv customs are almost never mentioned anymore, and I 
> wasn't sure they were even still available.  Since they are, for "fiercely 
> loyal to Rivendell and intent on slamming stems" customers they should be 
> one of the choices considered, even though they've been de-emphasized in 
> the past 10 years or so.   Along with all the many, many other steel 
> framesets out there.
>
> On Tuesday, January 5, 2016 at 10:54:09 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
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>>
>> On 01/05/2016 12:56 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: 
>> > In my opinion, anybody who wants to buy a sub $2000 steel frameset 
>> > that allows them to get their handlebars LOW can find one.  If they 
>> > love their handlebars LOW, then Rivendell Bicycle Works is probably 
>> > not their best first choice.  LOW handlebar road bikes are not that 
>> > difficult to find in the marketplace.  If there is somebody who is 
>> > fiercely loyal to Rivendell and refuse to buy a bike anywhere else, 
>> > and are equally intent on slamming that stem, then they are going to 
>> > have to make a choice. 
>> > 
>>
>> The Riv customs are still available, aren't they? 
>>
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