Patrick, one of my favorite shoes I used back in my toe clip days, are skate 
shoes. They have grippy soles, padded toes and tongues and you can find them 
cheap at Payless or Target. However, currently my faves are 510s paired with 
big mountain bike pinned flats. They stick so well, that with a little 
technique you can lift the back of the bike. I no longer fear catching air and 
having my feet fly off. Not being clipped in has let me ride in situations I 
would have gotten off and walked in the past. It took awhile to adjust, but 
man, it was worth it.
Claytonious 


     On Thursday, June 11, 2015 1:31 PM, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
   

 Richard: thanks. You pushed me over the edge. I plan to try flatties on the 
Fargo, but next month or so, since I've just dropped huge $$$$ on my car, roof, 
hvac, cleaning, etc.
Vaughn at Stevie's recommended some polycarbonate pedals list $22 that he says 
are fine and used by the BMX periti. So $25 w/tax is no problem. And they come 
in the designer color of your choice.
The additional expense, ironically in view of the "no shoes ruze", is that I 
need special shoes, and for this I'd like some advice.
I need closed shoes, not the boat shoes or sandals I prefer in summer; and of 
my closed shoes with rubber soles, I have a beat up pair of safari boots -- too 
hot; and a pair of nice oxfords with lugged treads -- too nice.
So, recommend unto me the cheapest possible shoe -- Target? Payless? -- that 
will work sufficiently well with these pedals to give me, after a month or so, 
a sufficiently true idea of how flatties work.
If someone has some to sell, I wear 44s.
For singletrack or other dicey riding situations, I can easily imagine how no 
retention would be liberating, esp as I have never been particularly 
coordinated. (For a while in the early '90s I rode singletrack with slotted 
cleats, Specialized shoes with cross-type cleats; I no longer have those 
skills.)
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:28 AM, Richard <rlh3...@gmail.com> wrote:

You said it Patrick, the ability to move ones feet while riding is a huge 
benefit. Even slight movements make a big difference.

I don't get BQ's "opening the lid" analogy, nor do I understand this statement 
...."When my feet are firmly attached to the pedals, I may not actually pull 
up, but I am using the pedal that is moving upward as a fixed point to push 
against with my downstroke leg.

What? How can the upward moving pedal be a fixed point to push against?

I'm not against clipless, I used them for many years, but the arguments in 
favor of, aren't convincing to me anymore. I know I'm in the minority here, but 
switching to platform pedals with pins has changed my mind about the need for 
foot retention for any type of riding. Just my experience, take it with a grain 
of salt.

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