Patrick, one of my favorite shoes I used back in my toe clip days, are skate shoes. They have grippy soles, padded toes and tongues and you can find them cheap at Payless or Target. However, currently my faves are 510s paired with big mountain bike pinned flats. They stick so well, that with a little technique you can lift the back of the bike. I no longer fear catching air and having my feet fly off. Not being clipped in has let me ride in situations I would have gotten off and walked in the past. It took awhile to adjust, but man, it was worth it. Claytonious
On Thursday, June 11, 2015 1:31 PM, Patrick Moore <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote: Richard: thanks. You pushed me over the edge. I plan to try flatties on the Fargo, but next month or so, since I've just dropped huge $$$$ on my car, roof, hvac, cleaning, etc. Vaughn at Stevie's recommended some polycarbonate pedals list $22 that he says are fine and used by the BMX periti. So $25 w/tax is no problem. And they come in the designer color of your choice. The additional expense, ironically in view of the "no shoes ruze", is that I need special shoes, and for this I'd like some advice. I need closed shoes, not the boat shoes or sandals I prefer in summer; and of my closed shoes with rubber soles, I have a beat up pair of safari boots -- too hot; and a pair of nice oxfords with lugged treads -- too nice. So, recommend unto me the cheapest possible shoe -- Target? Payless? -- that will work sufficiently well with these pedals to give me, after a month or so, a sufficiently true idea of how flatties work. If someone has some to sell, I wear 44s. For singletrack or other dicey riding situations, I can easily imagine how no retention would be liberating, esp as I have never been particularly coordinated. (For a while in the early '90s I rode singletrack with slotted cleats, Specialized shoes with cross-type cleats; I no longer have those skills.) On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:28 AM, Richard <rlh3...@gmail.com> wrote: You said it Patrick, the ability to move ones feet while riding is a huge benefit. Even slight movements make a big difference. I don't get BQ's "opening the lid" analogy, nor do I understand this statement ...."When my feet are firmly attached to the pedals, I may not actually pull up, but I am using the pedal that is moving upward as a fixed point to push against with my downstroke leg. What? How can the upward moving pedal be a fixed point to push against? I'm not against clipless, I used them for many years, but the arguments in favor of, aren't convincing to me anymore. I know I'm in the minority here, but switching to platform pedals with pins has changed my mind about the need for foot retention for any type of riding. Just my experience, take it with a grain of salt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick MooreAlburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten *************************************The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. Chuang TzuKinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. Aristotle The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/blwwAcVLtLQ/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.