This just in: from the VO blog. Obviously rigorous, high and pure science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNedIJBZpgM&feature=youtu.be

Seriously, if not exactly rigorous or pure, still interesting. (The rigor
is at the level of the BQ observations: anecdotal, but still informative.)

For my own particular purposes, the key remarks are at the end: forget
racing, but when you ride fixed, or even if you tend to mash rather than
spin,  or hells, even when you are spinning hard as you accelerate, you not
infrequently find yourself pulling up rather hard, or at least, pulling
around with some energy. Certainly you do so when climbing steep hills, but
also simply when accelerating, seated as well as standing, as when,
sitting, you accelerate hard to make a light. At least, I myself *do* "pedal
in circles" to some extent when, sprinting to make a light or trying vainly
to impress onlookers.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:28 AM, Richard <rlh3...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You said it Patrick, the ability to move ones feet while riding is a huge
> benefit. Even slight movements make a big difference.
>
> I don't get BQ's "opening the lid" analogy, nor do I understand this
> statement ...."When my feet are firmly attached to the pedals, I may not
> actually pull up, but I am using the pedal that is moving upward as a fixed
> point to push against with my downstroke leg.
>
> What? How can the upward moving pedal be a fixed point to push against?
>
> I'm not against clipless, I used them for many years, but the arguments in
> favor of, aren't convincing to me anymore. I know I'm in the minority here,
> but switching to platform pedals with pins has changed my mind about the
> need for foot retention for any type of riding. Just my experience, take it
> with a grain of salt.
>
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