I agree with patrick. An Austin based frame-maker using a Texas- founding-father to name a frame can hardly be called an imitation-- since Sam Hillborne is actually much more of a made-up name. I actually found the up-slope geometry of the Sam H. very similar to my G3 Kogswell P/R, which of course came to the market earlier than the Sam H. Up-slope geometry is so common now, I don't think Riv can claim any IP on it. Kogswell and Rawland also have tons of tire clearance and are fender- and racks friendly.
VCC make custom frames, from Austin, whereas Sam H. are production frames from Taiwan (there is nothing wrong with that). I see them as different options on the market. Incidentally, the wait on a VCC frame is only 4 weeks at the moment, and $1200 for a custom lugged frame made in the USA seems like a good deal. really miss when my romulus frame cost me $750 new from Riv merely 5 years ago, Franklyn On Nov 2, 2:21 pm, Aaron Thomas <aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com> wrote: > Color similarity with the Atlantis aside, what strikes me is the fact > that the Sam Houston shares Sam Hilborne's significantly up-sloping > top tube (not to mention cantilevers, gobs of tire clearance, and all- > rounder aspirations). > > I don't know whether it's an "imitation" or just curiously > "coincidental," but the similarities are clearly there in both moniker > and design. > > On Nov 2, 1:57 pm, Dustin Sharp <dsh...@runbox.com> wrote: > > > I agree the color makes it look Atlantis like, but then again, > > Celeste/sea-foam whatever it is didn't exactly start with Rivendell. > > > D > > > > From: Patrick in VT <psh...@drm.com> > > > Reply-To: <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > > > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 13:26:47 -0800 (PST) > > > To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: an imitation or just a coincidence? > > > > hmm . ... framebuilder in austin, TX designs and offers a handbuilt > > > frameset with choice of geometry/tubes depending on intended use - > > > touring, sport (whatever that means) and cx - and names the bike after > > > a texan hero. > > > > imitation or coincidence? not sure i'd use either of those words. > > > unless sam houston and sam hillborne are distant cousins or > > > something ;) --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
