Sorry, here's more on the scoliosis and I may have the 'point' flipped:
"There is a levoconvex thoracolumbar curvature with the apex at
T12-L1, and a compensatory dextroconvex lumbar curvature with its apex
at L4."
-nathan
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:36 PM, nathan spindel <nath...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't have that information on hand, but my scoliosis 'points' to my
> left side and as far as I know I don't have another up my spine.
>
> What is your suspicion?
>
> -nathan
>
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 7:05 PM, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com
> <lylebog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the info, Nathan!
>>
>> Which side does the disc bulge toward. Also your scoliosis adds an
>> interesting twist (no pun intended) on things. To which direction does
>> your lumbar scoliosis point? Also, do you have another scoliosis
>> further up your spine for which your lumbar scoliosis is compensating?
>> Based on the information you've provided so far, I suspect there's
>> another cause of the back pain other than the disc bulge, but I'll
>> reserve comment until I hear back from you.
>>
>> Very interesting :)
>>
>> lyle
>>
>> On Oct 21, 6:57 pm, nathan spindel <nath...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks for the followup, Lyle.
>>>
>>> I'm 25 and have had lower-back scoliosis (currently at 24°) since I
>>> was a teen. In late July I started noticing a combination of sharp
>>> pains in my lower left back, glute, upper thigh (front and back),
>>> groin, back of the knee, and occasional shooting/tingling pain
>>> starting at my lower back and ending at my knee. General sciatica
>>> symptoms. Over the past couple months the pain has waxed and waned,
>>> with a few days of exceptionally bad pain (an increased amount of the
>>> above) every couple weeks. The pain is mostly achey but sometimes
>>> sharp, and also occasionally tingling. It usually lasts for a few
>>> hours and tends to be worse at night. But it's always there, and I'm
>>> painfully reminded of it every time I go from sitting to standing or
>>> vice versa. It might be helpful to note that the best I ever felt
>>> since the pain began was after the first time the PT did electric stem
>>> therapy on the back.
>>>
>>> I did 5 weeks of PT before they recommended I see a spine specialist,
>>> at which point I got an MRI to reveal a 12mm herniation at L5/S1. The
>>> trial statistic you mentioned was interesting - I hadn't heard that
>>> before. Reading through all the herniated disk symptoms it definitely
>>> seems like the cause of my pain. Does that sound likely to you?
>>>
>>> -nathan
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:23 PM, LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <lylebog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi Nathan,
>>>
>>> > Hmmmmm... herniated discs. As a PT, I am typically suspicious of
>>> > diagnoses of back pain diagnosed with a herniated disc. Here's why:
>>> > First, there are usually no "pre-injury" images (MRI) showing that
>>> > there was no bulging disc previously. Second, and very much related to
>>> > the first, the imaging evidence of a bulging disc does not mean that
>>> > your pain is due to the bulging disc even if the image shows the disc
>>> > pressing on a nerve. There have been several good randomised control
>>> > trials which show that if you take 100 people with no back pain, no
>>> > radicular symptoms (pain or numbness/tingling down the legs or
>>> > elsewhere) and take MRIs of their spine, in 50-60% of the cases, there
>>> > will be at least one bulging disc, often pressing on a nerve root.
>>> > Third, I don't know what your age is, but age we age past 30, the
>>> > nucleus pulposis (the liquid center of the disc) begins to desiccate.
>>> > As we age, there is, practically speaking, less disc "to bulge." This
>>> > disc desiccation is also why grandma and grandpa keep getting smaller--
>>> > loss of fluid in the disc equals loss of disc height, leading to loss
>>> > of overall height. Fourth, and this is at least as important as the
>>> > other three points, that you sometimes experience reduced pain while
>>> > riding points away from the disc as the culprit.
>>>
>>> > So what...
>>>
>>> > Without knowing a few more specifics, I can't really offer more than
>>> > to say that there are several causes of back pain and radicular
>>> > symptoms which are easily overlooked during the medical diagnosis
>>> > process. If you can tell me, as near as possible (don't worry about
>>> > correct terminology) where you feel your pain (other than "my low
>>> > back"), what the quality of the pain is (sharp, dull, burning,
>>> > throbbing, etc...) how often it occurs, how long it lasts, what you do
>>> > to alleviate the pain, what your age is... just some more details,
>>> > generally. Oh, and what you were doing when you first experienced the
>>> > pain.
>>>
>>> > Feel free, of course, to reply off-list though I'd bet many other
>>> > folks could use this info too :) Oh and I'd say don't stop riding
>>> > unless it hurts too much!
>>>
>>> > Best,
>>>
>>> > lyle f bogart dpt
>>> > tacoma, wa
>>>
>>> > On Oct 21, 5:01 pm, nathan spindel <nath...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Forgive me if this is too far off topic, although it's related to
>>> >> Rivendell's concerns of proper bike comfort, fit, etc.
>>>
>>> >> After cycling 100-200 miles/week for 4 months on my Romulus I managed
>>> >> to get a herniated disk. I'm not positive it was caused by cycling,
>>> >> but it seems quite likely (my doctor thinks so too).
>>>
>>> >> In my research I've found that some people with this condition
>>> >> continue to cycle. After not riding for the first two injured months,
>>> >> I began riding a little bit to keep sane and have found my pain
>>> >> sometimes lessens while riding. Two doctors I've consulted with said
>>> >> it might be okay to cycle if I'm okay with it, but they seem hesitant.
>>>
>>> >> I'd like to hear any anecdotal stories you have about this (or
>>> >> healing/treatment as it pertains to cycling). I really have grown to
>>> >> love riding bikes and would hate to stop (but of course I'll stop when
>>> >> appropriate). Feel free to reply off-list.
>>>
>>> >> -nathan
>> >>
>>
>
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