First question, exactly what kind of pedals are you using?
Secondly, the position of the cleat can cause knee, back & other
issues (such as "hot foot") if not angled and positioned correctly
(including the fore and aft).  If you can't snap in, I have to wonder
if the cleats and pedals are properly matched.
Cheers,
Chris

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 20, 2009, at 6:13 PM, J L wrote:
>
>> I have a curious situation.  I can't seem to get clipless shoes
>> (neither shimano spd nor keen clipless sandals) to work with my
>> road standard.  Would the geometry have this great an effect in
>> combination with snapping in?
>
> I can think of no reason that the frame geometry would have the
> slightest effect on being able to engage or disengage the cleats.
>
>> clipless for a short ride = ankle tenderness inside of leg, usually
>> one, but sometimes both legs.
>> same bike, just pedals switched to road pedals and toe clips, same
>> ride = no pain.
>>
>> I think this pain/tenderness is caused by the restriction of motion
>> that these pedals have - I am somehow repeating the same movement
>> over and over which leads to an overworked tendon.  My question is:
>> how to a probelm solve and find a solution?  I want to ride
>> clipless, there really isn't any reason it shouldn't work with this
>> setup. I rode before with the same pedals and shoes on other bikes,
>> no probelms.
>>
>> Would it be the frame?
>
> Extremely unlikely.  The only thing I can think of here is if the
> frame has been bent so that the bottom bracket is not perpendicular
> to the plane of the bike.
>
>> What else should I check?
>>
>> I did some testing and the strain happens when my heel is moved
>> outward away from the bike creating a "pidgeon toed" riding
>> stance.  Could changing the cleat angle help this out?
>
> Maybe.  It'd be quick and easy to rule out.
>
> Is the Q factor of the crank much different than the Q factor of the
> other cranks you have used with these shoes and pedals?  If the
> cranks are much narrower, that might strain the ligaments on the
> medial aspect of your ankle(s) a bit.  Some folks need a wider Q
> factor than others.
>
> Or you might need a shim under the inside or outside of the cleat to
> lift the shoe and correct a problem with pronation or supination.
>
> Are these shoes perhaps quite old and knackered?  Are the cleats new,
> or have they been moved from when you've previously used them?
>
> Might be reasonable to get a professional fitting using a Fit Kit, if
> that's available in your area.
>
> >
>

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