I own two bikes, both are steel. My first was a 54cm Rambouillet, which 
despite all our tweaks still leaves me feeling unbalanced and with some 
elbow pain. I set it up with rack and panniers to use as an errand bike 
now. After 2 years I got a custom made TIG-welded Luna steel bike, which 
I feel supremely comfortable on. Went with TIG rather than lugs to allow 
the builder to be unconstrained by the lug angles....comfort rather than 
looks was my highest priority.  I guess the Riv geometry is not exactly 
women-specific (at least when it comes to me), since I know of at least 
one man my height (5'5") who rides the same size Ramb as mine and who is 
very comfortable on it.
There are a LOT of women riders out there, and many of them are into 
steel bikes, lugged included.  But it seems to me (from years of reading 
the largest online biking forum for women) that many of these women do 
seem to have a hard time finding stock bikes (steel or otherwise) that 
fit them well- over and over they run into the too-long reach issue. For 
them, the choices come down to either a custom bike or a stock 
women-specific geometry bike, of which there are now quite a few on the 
market (and I'm not talking about a man's bike simply shrunken down and 
painted pink here).
I'm lucky I was able to afford to get a custom Luna made. Interestingly, 
my Luna is exactly the same length as my Ramb (the tires touch the 
ground in the exact same two spots), but the fit is vastly different.
That said, I know there *are* women riding around in total comfort on 
their Rivs...maybe they don't all live in California?  :)
Lisa


David Estes wrote:
> Speaking of women riders, what's the deal with the SoCal Rivendell 
> Appreciation Society Sausage-fest?   I see LOTS of women riding bikes 
> everywhere, but lugged steel on dirt roads does not seem to attract them.
>
> One woman for 1/3 of one ride does not satisfy Title IX.
>
> DE
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 5:31 PM, David Estes <cyclotour...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:cyclotour...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Uhmmm, Lesli, now is the time to chime in...
>
>     On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Dave Craig <dcr...@prescott.edu
>     <mailto:dcr...@prescott.edu>> wrote:
>
>
>
>         I wonder what we'd find if this question were answered by
>         women. None
>         have responded thusfar to this thread. ARE there any female
>         members of
>         this group??
>
>         <cut>
>
>      
>
>         As I consider my female bicycling buddies, students and
>         acquaintences,
>         I realize that none of them have more than two bikes and that most
>         have just one.
>
>         Do women think the all-rounder is a myth?  I have to wonder
>         whether
>         they even care.
>
>         DC
>         -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
> David
> Redlands, CA
>
> "Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is 
> something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym." 
>  ~Bill Nye, scientist guy
>
> >

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