THere are always alternatives—and many good ones. We aren't out to smother anybody, and it's unlikely to happen, and wouldn't be good news if it did. But what is "Roadeo"--a compromised-for-the-mass market "house brand"? Ouch. A lot of stuff goes into the bike. I understand that with a certain amount of accessibility comes a certain amount of ... well, "disrespect" isn't the perfect word, but if I say "the Rolex phenomenon," does that make sense? We're familiar enough to reach out, but over time, the familiarity becomes a drawback, as old customers use us as a stepping stone on the way to explore brands more under the radar, and we don't have the advantage of the new or something, Over time, though, the passion-or-conscientiousnes or whatever--it isn't dwindling, and we get slightly better at certain things. There are things I understand and know about frame design, and frames in general, and structures, that I didn't know five years ago. They're never talked about, because they're not of of a nature that's easy to talk about without sounding out of touch with reality or what matters, or the big picture. Is a frame any better if it has something good that 's too small to notice but yet isn't superficial or purely cosmetic? Or worse if it lacks it, but all the stuff that's active and visible is equal? Sometimes, like usually, it feel like I'm working in a dark closet in foreign land with a new language that doesn't work in public. The revelations are so tiny, and are too tiny for prime time, but they're really neat (from my perspective). It's frustrating to not be able to express it, or to not have the confidence in my ability to, without being misread.
The name Roadeo was intended to ID it as a road frame. I can see, and we knew from the start, that it would not fly with everybody, but for a fun and highly maneuverable road frame....hey, not bad. In a name- mosaid that includes Felt or Giant or Specialized or Trek or Big Dummy or Sir Velo....."Roadeo" will shouldn't stick out too sorely. Besides--what would you expect from the company what brang you A. Homer Hilsen, Yves Gomez, Betty Foy, Bombadil...? Best to all, G On Aug 29, 10:52 pm, RonLau <ron...@ronlau.com> wrote: > Steve, > > Just got a Della Santa, great road bike. If you order one, you can > ask for anything you want. > > However, this is a Rodeo thread so I am not say anything more about > his work. If anyone is interested, google him and you can see what > kind of work he has done. > > For example, he build Rivendell custom before. > > Ron > > On Aug 28, 3:39 pm, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 15:10 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote: > > > Steve, I think the term production is a little strained for bicycles > > > produced in a facility that still requires many hand operations by a > > > skilled craftman. These operations, I suspect, do not involve much > > > that would be common with a production operation in a modern factory > > > with robot welding, etc. Surely, the total yearly production of > > > frames by Waterford must be miniscule compared to a real factory > > > operation. > > > There's robot welders/mass production, and then there's production in > > the sense of how Toyo or Santana operate. Let's set the jigs to make 59 > > cm frames. Let's cut tubes to make 20 59cm, and let's braze them up. > > Now let's reset and make some 56s. And so on. Where in there is the > > opportunity to add some special braze-ons for some individual customer? > > Nowhere that I can see. > > > If you want a bespoke frame, Riv has customs for that. > > > > If you look at some of the options available on Waterford's own > > > models, for example: > > > http://waterfordbikes.com/now/pricelist.php?newstype=14seriesO. > > > there are many options available. Again, I still can't see why there > > > could not be more flexibility for the Roadeo model options. > > > Those are customs, right? And not to put too fine a point on it, just > > because you can't see why there can't be more flexibility doesn't mean > > there isn't a valid reason. > > > > As I > > > stated at the outset, I'm not in the market, however if I was I'd > > > expect something more accommodating for a $2,000 frame. > > > You can get a Roland De La Santa custom for two thousand bucks, too. > > I'd suggest that would be a much better fit for you, if you find > > yourself in the market. Besides, nobody would mock the name, as they > > surely will with this one. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
