> It doesn't seem to me that Grant wants this bike to be > seen as some retro/throwback rig that folks are gonna want to equip > with 40-year-old parts. Rather the goal seems to be: let's show that a > modern lugged steel frame can hold its own against the techno-whiz > frames.
But why not give the 40 year old parts a chance to shine as well? Seriously though, I suspect this (and set up costs) to be the culprit. GP's write up said he really had to sweat the weight. D/t mounts are surprisingly heavy little buggers. On Aug 28, 9:07 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com> wrote: > I find it hard to believe that not including the dt mounts is a simple > cost saving measure, as this isn't intended to be a budget frame. I > suspect that the primary reason is the dt bosses add weight, and that > there isn't enough demand for dt shifters to justify the extra couple > ounces or whatever that would make it harder to acheive the sub-4lb > weight target. If this is indeed a "club racer", then most people who > get one will probably want to use some type of integrated shifting/ > braking levers. It doesn't seem to me that Grant wants this bike to be > seen as some retro/throwback rig that folks are gonna want to equip > with 40-year-old parts. Rather the goal seems to be: let's show that a > modern lugged steel frame can hold its own against the techno-whiz > frames. > > On Aug 28, 8:42 pm, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > > > > > Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen > > > all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it! > > > Well, yeah. And their own Hetchins tribute has dt mounts. > > > I am guessing no option on the Roadeo and it would appear on > > Waterford's own stock models (unless I am missing something on their > > web site) has something to do with Steve's point about setting up the > > jigs and all. > > > Possibly d/t mounts take some additional set up - which means time - > > which means money. > > > On Aug 28, 5:53 pm, Ryan Watson <rswat...@nyx.net> wrote: > > > > Waterford makes the Boulder Bicycles frames and the three I've seen > > > all had d/t shifter mounts. So they do know how to do it! > > > > Ryan > > > > On Aug 28, 2009, at 13:18, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > > > >> Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what > > > >> Waterford is willing to accept. > > > > > Waterford could be driving this. From their site it appears the only > > > > frame offered with DT braze ons is the (actually rather attractive) > > > > Hetchins Swallow Tribute touring bike. None of the Waterford road > > > > racing bikes have DT braze ons. GP's write up said he put more of the > > > > design specs in Waterford's hands because he was trying to meet a > > > > specific weight total. Maybe Waterford believes accommodating DT > > > > braze ons adds too much weight. > > > > >> Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an > > > >> upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like > > > >> Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as > > > >> it was black). > > > > > This has always been Riv's policy on paint though. In this instance, > > > > I do not mind, as the stock Roadeo scheme is close to the Trek 959, > > > > the bike I dreamed about owning during my High School days. > > > > > On Aug 28, 2:07 pm, Jim Cloud <cloud...@aol.com> wrote: > > > >> I'm not in the market for another bike, so any comments are simply > > > >> reflective of my own opinion. It seems strange to me that Grant, who > > > >> was always an exponent of not using shifting components that required > > > >> "system compatibility" has agreed to spec the Roadeo so that its > > > >> braze- > > > >> on's are only really useful with a shift integrated (e.g. Shimano) > > > >> system. > > > > >> I also find it perplexing that Rivendell, apparently, will not > > > >> accommodate a customer request to have downtube shifter bosses on the > > > >> frame. This is not a cheap bicycle, $2,000 is a good chunk of > > > >> change. Perhaps this lack of flexibility is reflective of what > > > >> Waterford is willing to accept. > > > > >> Finally, having only white available as a standard color (with an > > > >> upcharge of $300.00 for another color), strikes me as rather like > > > >> Henry Ford's options for the model T (any color available, as long as > > > >> it was black). > > > > >> Jim > > > > >> On Aug 28, 11:06 am, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > > > >>>> Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? > > > > >>> Indeed there are. > > > > >>> However, I have two lovely NOS sets of Simplex braze on dt levers > > > >>> with > > > >>> the sunburst (the older, harder to get in good NOS condition Simplex > > > >>> levers), an NOS Simplex white plastic braze on set and two beautiful > > > >>> NOS Campy Record braze on lever sets. > > > > >>> I readily admit we are going into persnickity parts collector > > > >>> territory here, but I really would like to have a bike where I could > > > >>> rotate use of some of those lovely old parts > > > > >>> Maybe if I had some swell clamp on sets I would feel differently. > > > >>> Real nice NOS clamp on shifters are far and few between, however. I > > > >>> have been actively collecting for six years now and can only > > > >>> remember > > > >>> one or two being offered for sale. > > > > >>> Besides, it would look kind of odd to have such a lovely frame with > > > >>> unused cable routers above a clamp on shifter. > > > >>> On Aug 28, 12:33 pm, Bruce <fullylug...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > >>>> Aren't band attached down tube mounts available? IIRC, many early > > > >>>> steel frames had cable guides and bottle holders attached by wrap > > > >>>> around bands, not braze ons, so this would not be that unusual. > > > > >>>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, > > > >>>>> JoelMatthews<joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> Well, it is not exactly like the bikes raced by Jacques > > > >>>>>> Anquetil and > > > >>>>>> Eddy Merckx as it does not have down tube shifter braze ons.- > > > >>>>>> Hide quoted text - > > > > >>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > >> - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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