I'm using the Polar insulated water bottle.  There are other ways.  A
thermos will also work.

The better way - when it's really cold out, ride short distances.
Preferably from coffee shop to coffee shop.  Makes it easier to warm
up.

Strange.  Even though had been off the bike for a long time until a
couple years ago, wasn't that difficult to get used to riding in cold
weather again.  Of course, even I have limits.  Probably will not
venture out below about -10.   And the clothing now available is light
years better than what I had available "back in the day".  Things like
helmet covers (or winter kits from Bell) didn't exist back then.

To bring it slightly back on topic.  In the really cold temps,
probably won't take the Atlantis out.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Dec 7, 5:34�pm, Eric Norris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 10 degrees? �My God, man! �How do you keep your water bottle from �
> freezing?
>
> --Eric
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> On Dec 7, 2008, at 2:38 PM, EricP wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > My bikes are all set up with fenders presently. �Two with metal, and
> > the Atlantis has plastic SKS fenders. �Overall, I find the metal ones
> > more secure if one uses a decent amount of Loc-tite in installation.
> > But am less than happy with the clearance of the Berthoud fenders �at
> > the seatstay bridge on my Surly Cross Check. �This was not an issue
> > with the previous plastic Planet Bike fenders. �The rolled edges
> > actually take up more than a slight amount of room. (for the record,
> > they are 700x50 fenders).
>
> > Had the Atlantis out today in the ice and snow. �With the temperature
> > around 10, had no problem with the fenders cracking. �Will see if they
> > hold up all winter. �But past experience says they will.
>
> > The only complaint I have about plastic fenders is they are all too
> > short. �Even with the mudflap, Planet Bike fenders could be about 3
> > inches longer in front.
>
> > As to fender line, it's something that does not concern me. �As long
> > as the tire fits. �My Atlantis fenders were set up for 26x2 inch
> > tires. �Right now have Schwalbe Marathon winter tires. �There is a lot
> > of space showing. �But I consider it just more room for snow to slosh
> > around.
>
> > Here is a photo of the bike out today.
> >http://s159.photobucket.com/albums/t146/ericplatt_2007/?action=view&c...
>
> > Oh, and to get back to the first post - have no problem with the
> > fenders on that bike. �If they work, that's more important in my book.
>
> > Eric Platt
> > St. Paul, MN
>
> > On Dec 7, 2:11 pm, "PATRICK MOORE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:45 AM, JoelMatthews
>
> >>> The reason is when metal fenders get out of
> >>> whack, you really need to be at your home shop to get them back into
> >>> whack. SKS are much easier to pull or prod back into place, and �
> >>> are
> >>> more amenable to a duct tape or zip tie fix if it comes down to �
> >>> that.
>
> >> But metal fenders never get out of whack, hardly. I've banged the �
> >> trailing
> >> edge of my Berthoud front on a curb, hard, with a good part of my �
> >> weight,
> >> when riding off of it, and the blow shoved the fender forward but �
> >> it was
> >> still very rideable. A blow and a push shoved it back again. And �
> >> metals
> >> don't warp when you carelessly lay your bike down in a cramped cargo
> >> compartment the way SKSs do. My experience, anyway. AND, metals are �
> >> even
> >> easier to remove and re-install than the plastics.- Hide quoted text -
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