> And that would be no different regardless of what the fenders were made
> of.

Well, the new SKS fenders bracing is a single looping piece of metal
with the adjustments made on the outside of the fender rather than at
the braze on eyelet.  I am able to adjust them while reaching down
from a standing position but still on the bike.

>  Or do you mean a Honjo eyebolt came apart?

Precisely.  The interior nut on the Honjo eyebolt worked itself off.

> Again, I have trouble visualizing this: why would you need to remove the
> chain to remove a wheel?

Maybe inartfully written.  In order to remove the fender, I had to
take off the wheel to loosen the bolt that attached the bottom front
of the fender to the lower chain stay bridge.  I did not have to break
the chain, but I did have to take it off the cluster, more of a pain
than it had to be as at the time I was using a Huret Duopar derailleur
(since replaced and now happily retired in my display case).  As you
point out, the plastic fenders are a lot easier to take off.

Getting to your other post about expert installation, check out Jon
Kendziera's handywork when he installed the Berthoud's on my Oswald:

http://flickr.com/photos/jonnycycles/sets/72157606490025925/


On Dec 7, 11:29 am, Steve Palincsar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-12-07 at 08:39 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > > What other sort of fender mishaps have you experienced on the road, that
> > > would require shop tools to rectify?
>
> > Aside from just the general pain trying to adjust the play at the p-
> > clamps with the bike on uneven ground and only the kick stand to keep
> > it steady
>
> And that would be no different regardless of what the fenders were made
> of.
>
> > , I had two incidents that convinced me to go with SKS on the
> > camper.
>
> > First was probably just bad planning on my part.  While riding in
> > (very) rural Northeast Iowa, one of the nuts on the inside of the
> > lower fastener bracket came off, loctite notwithstanding.
>
> I'm having trouble visualizing this.  You mean the nut and bolt that
> holds a Berthoud stay onto the fender?  Or do you mean a Honjo eyebolt
> came apart?
>
> My experience is, these seldom loosen, but it pays to check from time to
> time.  If you ride a bike on any kind of rough surface for any length of
> time in general what can loosen will.  The C&O Canal Towpath is famous
> for this, and stories about people traveling the length of the Towpath
> always seemed to feature something about a part vibrating off the bike.
> Luggage racks are a favorite thing to fall off.
>
> >   I did not
> > have a replacement and could not duct tape the fender into place.  The
> > nearest hardware store was a day and half a way.  I wound up having to
> > take off the fender - which meant unloading the bike, taking off the
> > chain to take off the wheel and stowing the fender awkwardly a top my
> > gear until I got a bolt.
>
> Again, I have trouble visualizing this: why would you need to remove the
> chain to remove a wheel?  I can certainly see needing to unload the bike
> to work on the fender -- in fact, often I've needed to unload the bike
> to fix a flat tire.  The worst time I can ever remember was when I had
> panniers with a metal hook and a metal spring to hold them on.  I had a
> heavily loaded tandem, and I just couldn't get at the back wheel to
> remove it without removing the pannier.  The hook managed to bite right
> into my finger, and the spring really set the hook, jamming it into my
> hand.  In fact, it was an unforgettable accompaniment to a flat tire.
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