Obviously tyre size has a big effect. Sometimes I ride the Atlantis
with 26x1.75 Schwalbe Marathons
over dirt tracks and it obviously does better than the Ram with 32mm
tyres. It feels safer and if
a rock comes along the Atlantis deals with it better. When I put
26x1.25 on the Atlantis and ride on the
road that stability makes it feel slower than the Ram. Its a close run
thing, but I suppose I just like the feeling
of speed and freedom that I get form the Ram, and as it will handle
the dirt reasonably well and take
my fairly light touring load it's the bike I prefer for most of my
riding.

On Nov 23, 9:14 am, Angus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm also interested in what usuk2007 feels is the difference.
>
> I've got both a Rambouillet and an Atlantis, both 64cm, the fit is
> similar.  I have 28mm tires on the Rambouillet and 37mm tires on the
> Atlantis, I believe much of the difference I feel between the two
> bikes is due to the tire size.
>
> The Atlantis, probably due to the tires, is less jarring over rough
> road surfaces and seems to be a slightly more stable bike.  It rides
> VERY well fully loaded.
>
> The Rambouillet seems to have quicker, more nimble steering and
> transmits more road vibration (probably the tires).  It feels faster,
> if I can't keep up with the local carbon bike crowd it's not due to
> the bike.
>
> There is also a weight difference between the two bikes, I can feel
> that when putting the bikes into the back of the car...
>
> Angus
>
> On Nov 22, 11:13 pm, "Doug Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Just curious:  Since you have both, what are the differences between the Ram
> > & the Atlantis?
>
> > I have an Atlantis that I purchased primarily for touring, so did not
> > consider component weights at build time.  It's a pretty standard Riv build;
> > lots of MTB stuff (crank, hubs, brakes) on 700 wheels.
>
> > It's a great bike but admittedly a lot of work to keep up with the racy
> > types (as racy as bunch of retired geezers can be, anyway).  I'm curious to
> > hear your comparison.
>
> > dougP
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
>
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of usuk2007
> > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:43 PM
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch
> > Subject: [RBW] Is the Ram the closest thing to perfect bike? I think so.
>
> > I'm a bit perplexed with the drift of Riv away from the "lighter" end
> > of the frame spectrum. The current frames and new ones just on the
> > horizon look exciting, but there's a big void where the Ram was once.
> > I have an Atlantis and love it, but the Ram is by far my favourite
> > bike; fast enough to feel as if I'm a strong cyclist, versatile enough
> > to go touring with lightweight gear, and even do some off road with
> > 32mm tyres. I think the Ram hits the sweet spot between speed,
> > handling and strength. I haven't ridden an AHH, but somehow if just
> > looks less fun than the Ram, so I'm waiting for Rivendell to bring
> > back the road/sport touring bike.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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