If the definition of "Death Panel" is a consensus by a Doctor, Hospital, Family, and Priest as to when to pull the plug on care, then death panel do exist today, and death panels, like the invisible hand of capitalism, deny needed care to those with great demand but little means to acquire the needed care.
Hospitals, Doctors, Priest, Family members, government counseling agencies, etc all seem to be encouraging citizens, of all ages, to sign up as an organ donor, and non-resuscitation orders. LOL Yes, the death panel are alive and well today, even before anything is changed. There is nothing new in the pending bill that changes that, but it does pave the way towards providing some insurance reform that will provide coverage for the uninsured and those drop from coverage for pre-existing health problems. etc. Regards, LelandJ On 12/23/2009 01:08 PM, Publius Maximus wrote: > On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA > <[email protected]> wrote: >> How is the new Health Care bill worse or even different from >> the current system, especially for those with limited >> resources above what their current plan provides, or >> especially for the uninsured of all ages? > > Your lack of imagination is stunning. > > Under the current system, if you think a particular insurer sucks > wind, causes needless deaths, and in general is too expensive, you can > leave them and buy insurance from another. You can lead boycotts and > blow whistles and get them put out of business. You are even free to > start your own insurance company if you think you can do better. > > Under the new system it would take an all but impossible 67 Senators > to agree, behind closed doors in smoke-filled rooms and blank checks > undewritten by the ChiComs, to fix a bad decision by the (only, > single) health rationing panel that is set up by government, with no > other means of accountability, political or otherwise. > > You tell me which one is going to be less responsive, more autocratic, > and deadly. > > If you think it's the current system, you deserve what's coming. > > - Publius > >> >> Regards, >> >> LelandJ >> >> >> >> >> On 12/23/2009 11:26 AM, Publius Maximus wrote: >>> Of course the irony of this is that the very provision that Reid is >>> trying to make reversal-proof by changing Senate rules is the very >>> provision that Palin objected to -- the one that basically ensures old >>> folks get the short end of the health care resource rationing >>> envisioned by the bill. >>> >>> So she used a metaphor -- death panels -- to describe the >>> committee/task force/whatever that decides who gets how much and what >>> health care resources (with a pronounced and open preference for >>> younger vs. older people) -- and the media get's all technical ("there >>> no such term 'death panel' in the bill!")....But, in terms of intent, >>> it's not only in there, but also bragged about by top advisers to the >>> president, including both John Holdren and Ezekiel Emmanuel. >>> >>> Hope all you old fogies who don't have years to wait for Supreme Court >>> challenges to bubble up through the appellate system have a back up >>> plan for survival/life support if this godawful bill becomes law.... >>> >>> - Publius >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Leland F. Jackson, CPA >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> There are liars, damn liars, and then there's politicians. LOL >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> LelandJ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/23/2009 12:49 AM, Adam Buckland wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has won the dubious >>>>> honour of telling the biggest political lie of the year. A panel of >>>>> experts ruled her claim the Obama administration was planning to >>>>> introduce "death panels" was chosen as the most misleading statement of >>>>> 2009. >>>>> >>>>> Palin, 45, made the claim on her Facebook page at the height of the >>>>> debate over President Obama's plans to reform the US health care system. >>>>> >>>>> She wrote: "My parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand >>>>> in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide whether >>>>> they are worthy of health care." >>>>> >>>>> But the website PolitiFact.com found that there were never any plans to >>>>> introduce so called "death panels" to decide who should live or die. >>>>> >>>>> According to the website Palin's statement on her Facebook page >>>>> generated a huge controversy and was mentioned almost 6,000 times over >>>>> the next two months. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From The Daily Telegraph, a right wing newspaper from the UK >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- >>>>> multipart/alternative >>>>> text/plain (text body -- kept) >>>>> text/html >>>>> --- >>>>> [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. 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