Thanks! What I’ve learned the last 3 decades in IT is that you can decide about the kind of problems you will have not the amount of problems you will have. Trying to delegate complexity turns the kind of problems into complexer problems while the amount stays the same.
Norbert > Am 13.04.2021 um 18:15 schrieb jtuc...@objektfabrik.de: > > Norbert, > > you nailed it ;-) Easy and cheap and lots of layers of magic infrastructure > nailed and hammered onto each other don't go well with each other. I am still > a fan of having some server - virtual or physical - that I can reinstall from > scratch and as little moving parts as possible on top of that. I rather have > a little collection of sheets on which I wrote down each single step of > installing what's needed and a good backup of ini files and whatnot than a > pile of "stuff" that makes things "easy". > > I know, that's so 90ies, but hey, we're using Smalltalk from the 70ies ;-) > > Joachim > > > > Am 13.04.21 um 18:09 schrieb Norbert Hartl: >> I read the title which contains „easiest/cheapest“ and then you drop names >> „docker“, "CI which injects“ and „stages" … this invalidates at least >> „easiest“ and maybe „cheapest“ as well. I think I missed the intent of this >> mail. So can you give a few more details otherwise it is hard to meet the >> „easiest on this level of requirements“ >> >> Norbert >> >>> Am 12.04.2021 um 10:36 schrieb Tim Mackinnon <tim@testit.works>: >>> >>> That is cheap 3e/m is definitely worth considering… but I guess you do have >>> to take care of your own patching etc right (which isn’t necessarily >>> horrible, but does require a bit of extra effort to track things). I was >>> interested in whether the next step up in the food chain using Docker >>> images that are hosted for you, might lessen the burden a bit? E.g. if your >>> CI injects a pharo image into the latest “safe” docker image from the >>> community - then hopefully you are insulated from all of this. It does >>> look like this is becoming a reality if that dockerize.io soln plays out (I >>> got that working, its cheap - however they haven’t answered any of my email >>> queries… so I do wonder how real it actually is). The fallback would >>> definitely be something like Hetzner or Digital Ocean I guess. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>>> On 12 Apr 2021, at 08:47, Norbert Hartl <norb...@hartl.name> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Am 12.04.2021 um 04:02 schrieb Jeff Gray <j...@rogerthedog.com>: >>>>> >>>>> Considering easiest and cheapest, there's always self hosting, or are you >>>>> discounting that idea? >>>>> Most geeks have a bit of spare hardware laying around and broadband >>>>> up-speeds aren't too bad. >>>>> I'm guessing that if we are in the $5 a month ball park then we aren't >>>>> needing a guaranteed up time. >>>>> >>>> My cloud instance is 3€/month. With an additional 20% amount the instance >>>> has a backup. And setting it up is way simpler then getting dynamic DNS >>>> updates and all of that configured. Times have changed a bit. >>>> >>>> >>>> Norbert > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuc...@objektfabrik.de > Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de > D-71640 Ludwigsburg http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 >
