WOW I did not expect so many replies Its amazing you guys work on a minimal image, since that is the case I will wait for you experts to deliver and instead as you advise me Esteban I will focus my effort on documentation, it looks like I have come to a decision to contribute to pharo in 3 ways
1) Make a theme for pharo which is very modern flexible and super easy to customise to whatever one wants, a theme to rule them all -> Nireas (its there but needs a lot of improvement) 2) Make an API for Blender that will allow pharo developers to take advantage of Blender awesome graphics capabilities -> Ephestos (same as above) 3) Contribute to documentation both via pillar and class and method comments. -> Prometheas (same as above) I am sure the minimal image that you will provide will be perfect for my needs. I dont mind size per se, just system complexity. I agree again with you Esteban that it would be better to let the maintaince of a minimal image to pharo devs since I think we are all in the same page and instead tackle areas of my expertise like graphics, theme and documentation. I was just thinking how I could help Pharo the best way and I think these 3 projects are more than enough to keep me occupied. The linked image you posted does not open after I download it and unzip it. Does it require a special VM or is it something else ? On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 5:28 PM Thierry Goubier <thierry.goub...@gmail.com> wrote: > 2016-05-24 16:18 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano <esteba...@gmail.com>: > >> >> On 24 May 2016, at 16:11, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goub...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> 2016-05-24 15:18 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.al...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Well technically the python part works fine, BUT I also always wanted it >>> to be friendly to begineers . So nope , its same project. And you are >>> correct its still focused in coding 3d graphics but I came to realisation >>> that if I want some people to use it, obviously i dont expect the massive >>> majority to give up the comforts of python but for those that are curious I >>> have to provide an enviroment thats is even easier to code in than python >>> is currently for Blender. >>> >>> My goal is to provide a development enviroment for Blender addons that >>> is simple, and easy to use and learn. >>> >>> So providing a minimal pharo image that is self documented has always >>> being a dream for Ephestos. >>> >>> By the way whats the news on the matter of modular pharo image ? Is >>> there any work done to provide a minimal pharo image ? >>> >> >> There is a minimal image, which is I think usable as-is, except that what >> you want is something in between the minimal image (no gui, no tools) and a >> full image, and that is a bit complex to set-up. >> >> I started some work on doing that with Pharo4 (put a place with baselines >> I could use to load the HEAD of the Pharo main repository and load the >> right packages), but Pharo5 changed the way external projects are included, >> and my approach wasn't good anymore. >> >> I think the overall Pharo organisation could benefit from such an effort; >> it would exercise all the planned mechanisms for the modular image, in >> maybe an easier way than a modular full image, and with someone motivated >> to debug and maintain the process: you! >> >> >> honestly, I wouldn’t. >> working in a parallel image is too much work (believe me, I know >> something about keeping an image going). >> > > Well, I am technically working in a parallel image for the past ... 3 > years ? So, no, as long as you handle a changing minimal image and a well > mastered set of slow changing packages over it, it is doable. > > The base Pharo isn't changing much. As long as you don't use what is > changing a lot, then this is doable. Maintaining changes all over all the > fast moving packages that are in the full Pharo, then I agree with you, > Esteban. > > >> Pavel and Christophe are working on the bootstrap process who should be >> working in one-two months, with that, building custom images will be >> finally a reality…from there you might want to give it a try. >> > > This, given the timeframe, is both an excellent suggestion and good to > know :) > > >> But I would better invest on document (something that you have been doing >> very well and I’m very thankful for that) than in keeping alive what is, in >> fact, a fork. >> > > Racing to document all the fast moving packages in Pharo can really be a > challenge, still. > > Thierry > > >> >> cheers, >> Esteban >> >> >> Thierry >> >> >> >> >>> >>> I would hate to replicate what is already done. >>> >>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:59 PM Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Dimitris Chloupis >>>> <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > So I was reading the complains from Sven and got Inspiration from >>>> Torsten >>>> > Pharo image and CUIs and made me wonder what if we had an image which >>>> has >>>> > the least amount of libraries and every library inside it is full >>>> commented >>>> > in class, package and method and even has tutorial using inside help >>>> tool. >>>> > >>>> > So I think I will give this project a try. I know there is a plan to >>>> make >>>> > pharo image more modular, but modularity does not equal minimalism , >>>> > simplicity and ease of use. >>>> > >>>> > I think I will follow the CUIs example and do the development via >>>> Github. >>>> > >>>> > But I am open to ideas and suggestions. >>>> > >>>> > My intention is to remove the excess fat, to make Pharo prettier >>>> (improve >>>> > theme support and make available several themes ) and to have >>>> everything >>>> > commented and self documented. >>>> > >>>> > Obviously this will be a long term project and in no way a walk in >>>> the park >>>> > but I was looking for a nice project to name "Ephestos" :D seem as >>>> good as >>>> > any >>>> >>>> Did this project not pane out?... >>>> >>>> https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2014/07/16/ephestos-using-and-coding-blender-from-inside-pharo/ >>>> >>>> Seems you're quite attached to that name :) >>>> but is there a minor chance of confusion? >>>> >>>> cheers -ben >>>> >>>> >> >>
