2016-05-24 16:18 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano <esteba...@gmail.com>: > > On 24 May 2016, at 16:11, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goub...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > 2016-05-24 15:18 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.al...@gmail.com>: > >> Well technically the python part works fine, BUT I also always wanted it >> to be friendly to begineers . So nope , its same project. And you are >> correct its still focused in coding 3d graphics but I came to realisation >> that if I want some people to use it, obviously i dont expect the massive >> majority to give up the comforts of python but for those that are curious I >> have to provide an enviroment thats is even easier to code in than python >> is currently for Blender. >> >> My goal is to provide a development enviroment for Blender addons that is >> simple, and easy to use and learn. >> >> So providing a minimal pharo image that is self documented has always >> being a dream for Ephestos. >> >> By the way whats the news on the matter of modular pharo image ? Is there >> any work done to provide a minimal pharo image ? >> > > There is a minimal image, which is I think usable as-is, except that what > you want is something in between the minimal image (no gui, no tools) and a > full image, and that is a bit complex to set-up. > > I started some work on doing that with Pharo4 (put a place with baselines > I could use to load the HEAD of the Pharo main repository and load the > right packages), but Pharo5 changed the way external projects are included, > and my approach wasn't good anymore. > > I think the overall Pharo organisation could benefit from such an effort; > it would exercise all the planned mechanisms for the modular image, in > maybe an easier way than a modular full image, and with someone motivated > to debug and maintain the process: you! > > > honestly, I wouldn’t. > working in a parallel image is too much work (believe me, I know something > about keeping an image going). >
Well, I am technically working in a parallel image for the past ... 3 years ? So, no, as long as you handle a changing minimal image and a well mastered set of slow changing packages over it, it is doable. The base Pharo isn't changing much. As long as you don't use what is changing a lot, then this is doable. Maintaining changes all over all the fast moving packages that are in the full Pharo, then I agree with you, Esteban. > Pavel and Christophe are working on the bootstrap process who should be > working in one-two months, with that, building custom images will be > finally a reality…from there you might want to give it a try. > This, given the timeframe, is both an excellent suggestion and good to know :) > But I would better invest on document (something that you have been doing > very well and I’m very thankful for that) than in keeping alive what is, in > fact, a fork. > Racing to document all the fast moving packages in Pharo can really be a challenge, still. Thierry > > cheers, > Esteban > > > Thierry > > > > >> >> I would hate to replicate what is already done. >> >> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 3:59 PM Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Dimitris Chloupis >>> <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > So I was reading the complains from Sven and got Inspiration from >>> Torsten >>> > Pharo image and CUIs and made me wonder what if we had an image which >>> has >>> > the least amount of libraries and every library inside it is full >>> commented >>> > in class, package and method and even has tutorial using inside help >>> tool. >>> > >>> > So I think I will give this project a try. I know there is a plan to >>> make >>> > pharo image more modular, but modularity does not equal minimalism , >>> > simplicity and ease of use. >>> > >>> > I think I will follow the CUIs example and do the development via >>> Github. >>> > >>> > But I am open to ideas and suggestions. >>> > >>> > My intention is to remove the excess fat, to make Pharo prettier >>> (improve >>> > theme support and make available several themes ) and to have >>> everything >>> > commented and self documented. >>> > >>> > Obviously this will be a long term project and in no way a walk in the >>> park >>> > but I was looking for a nice project to name "Ephestos" :D seem as >>> good as >>> > any >>> >>> Did this project not pane out?... >>> >>> https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2014/07/16/ephestos-using-and-coding-blender-from-inside-pharo/ >>> >>> Seems you're quite attached to that name :) >>> but is there a minor chance of confusion? >>> >>> cheers -ben >>> >>> > >
