That's exactly what I have been wanting to say...
You can spend all the money in the world for a super duper telephoto lens or 
you can save your money and have some patience and still get the shot. I'm not 
saying a long lens isn't sometimes necessary, but patience does not cost you 
anything but time. 
Vic 

In a message dated 7/12/03 6:50:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>> Using a 500 mirror (which is NOT too long for zoo shots, btw) 
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>> gives me a max shutter speed of about 125 with 800 speed 
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>> film in most situations on bright days at noon.  Many shots 
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>> are impossible with such a slow lens.
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>
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>I haven't read all of the emails, but rather caught the above blurb from
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>someone's response. However, I felt compelled to mention that the more
>I read, 
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>the more this is starting to sound moreso like a need for better technique
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>rather than better equipment (even though both may very well be the case).
>By 
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>technique, I mean a few things: 
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>
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>a) perhaps being more patient. If the animal is not in a good vantage point
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>(e.g., not close enough) then sometimes you just gotta wait it out. Sometimes
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>seconds, sometimes minutes... sometimes it just means "maybe another day".
>In 
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>some instances it can simply mean finding a better point to shoot from.
>But of 
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>course this is not always possible. Sur, You may be able to reach things
>that 
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>you couldn't before but keep in mind: 1) f2.8 + 2x TC + at least 1 stop
>for 
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>good measure (or even 2 for DOF) = your right back at f8 or f11. and 2)
>as Mark 
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>pointed out, dealing with that 2x TC can really knock your image quality
>down a 
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>few notches anyway. 
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>
>
>b) Learn the behavior of your subjects. The reason I say this is because
>you 
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>seem unsatisfied with a 1/125 sec. shutter speed, and suggested that this
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>makes "many shots...impossible". This kinda baffles me since I can't remember
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>the last time I was able to shoot above 1/100 with either the 300mm f2.8
>OR the 
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>400 f2.8.. 
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>Given that the best zoo photos are typically on overcast days and/or with
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>animals shying away from direct sunlight, I usually live around the 1/30
>to 
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>1/60 range, with 1/15 not being unusual. Granted, I use ISO 100 film...
>but the 
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>point is that it (slow speeds) works, and few shots are "impossible" unless
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>you're specifically trying to freeze action. You just need timing. And
>a whole 
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>heap of patience for that right moment (which may literally last 1 second
>as 
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>the animals pauses for thought or changes direction). 
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>I kinda sensed the "if I had a big fast lens, then click click click and
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>excellent photos are mine" syndrome for a second there. So I just thought
>I'd 
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>mention this since I'd hate for you (or anyone) to spend a heap of money
>on 
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>fast primes and be totally disenchanted when they find that the equipment
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>additions didn't "save the day".
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