Ah, I think you meant to say "I don't agree that the information was not readily available ...." I agree, but "readily available" is probably like beauty, it's all in the eyes of the beholder. I also agree about doing one's homework before such a purchase, but given that this was a gift, I can kind of see where the giver might not have done as much homework. I know my family is trained to only get specifically what I ask for as gifts, right down to the product/model number or URL.
-- Christopher chalt...@gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:19 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Before You Buy an iPod Touch I don't agree that the information was readily available, perhaps the better explanation was the information was in a different place from where one would or may have expected it to be <smile> but this sort of thing is certainly common knowledge. I'm not writing to have a go at anyone but what I would suggest that anyone do who is considering the purchase of any product is to tap into a resource such as this email list or a similar one and ask questions and do a little homework, had the original poster asked the question on list first perhaps then I could have forwarded appropriate information or others could have done likewise but I'm rambling. You'll enjoy the Apple Iphone for its GPS capabilities and you have quite a variety of packages to choose from, this topic is frequently discussed on the mac-access list and you can view the archives or subscribe to the list by pointing your browser to www.mac-access.net On 09/08/2010, at 10:08 AM, Rob Bender wrote: > Hi Larry. Thanks for posting your message so others do not have the same thing happen to them. I was considering buying an iPod Touch last winter, and I found out that the 8 gig models were not accessible, but the information was not readily available. . I am considering upgrading mine and Lee's Nokia phones to iPhones to take advantage of the GPS and OCR. Depending on if Apple will be releasing an iPod Touch with a camera, then we may do that. The deal breaker may be how usable the GPS actually is in the iPhone. I apologize if I am going out of bounds for this list. I would appreciate any any observations or comments off list. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Naessens" <larr...@distributel.net> > To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: Before You Buy an iPod Touch > > >> Yes, I'm just hoping that Customer Service will let me exchange my Touch for the accessible model. No reason that they shouldn't. I'll pay the difference of course. When posting, I was just hoping to save others the inconvenience of a similar scenario, that's all. >> >> Larry >> >> >> >> On 2010-08-08, at 5:06 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> >>> Following some pointers from Dane, I found the site >>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/itunes/ipodtouch.html which is Apple's >>> accessibility site devoted to the iPod Touch. On this page it says: >>> >>> "The same VoiceOver screen reader made popular on the Mac and the iPhone is >>> now a standard feature on iPod touch 32GB and 64GB (3rd generation). It's >>> the >>> world's first gesture-based screen reader, enabling you to enjoy the fun and >>> simplicity of iPod touch even if you can't see the screen." >>> >>> Note that when I checked the specifications pages for the different models >>> of the iPod touch, I didn't see that they specifically noted whether the >>> model supported VoiceOver or not. The comparison table mentioned voiceOver >>> for the Nano and the Shuffle, but not the iPod Touch. >>> >>> As others have mentioned, I doubt they'll support VoiceOver on your model >>> but I would hope they would let you return or exchange it, especially since >>> it was a gift. >>> >>> Your warning about doing your homework before you purchase something is duly >>> noted. I've seen disappointed customers on both the Rockbox and Talks/Mobile >>> Speak lists. Unfortunately, finding some of this accessibility information >>> isn't easy. >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher >>> chalt...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] >>> On Behalf Of Larry Naessens >>> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 2:56 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Before You Buy an iPod Touch >>> >>> When checking Apple's accessibility section on their Canadian site, we >>> weren't able to locate any information stating that the 8 gig model was >>> neither Generation 3 nor usable with a screen reader. Certainly there is the >>> possibility that we missed it when checking the Canadian site and if you >>> would like to share the link, we would be happy to take a look. >>> >>> My main reason for posting what I did was to try and help others to keep >>> from making the same mistake as we did. You, without a doubt are this >>> group's Apple expert, with information that many listers including myself >>> have found to be extremely valuable. I hope you'll keep your Mac advise >>> coming. >>> >>> Larry >>> On 2010-08-08, at 3:15 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry to have to tell you that Apple Support couldn't have done much for >>> you mate, if you looked on the web in Apple's accessibility section then you >>> would have sen it clearly laid out what you've just written thus you would >>> have saved yourself some considerable time. No, Apple will not be making >>> any previous Ipod Touch models Voiceover compatible just as they won't be >>> making the Iphone 3G or previous Ipod Nano models before the 4th generation >>> Voiceover compatible and part of the reason for that is that these devices >>> may not have the processing power to handle Voiceover. Yep, as I understand >>> it you can download the IOS4 update to an Iphone 3G for example but only >>> those features which the 3G can support will be activated. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 09/08/2010, at 4:47 AM, Larry Naessens wrote: >>>> >>>>> Before you, as a blind audio enthusiast, purchase an iPod Touch, >>> expecting to be able to use it with Voiceover, in order to listen to online >>> radio and so much more, you might want to keep my experience in mind. >>>>> >>>>> Not long ago, my wife bought me an iPod touch for my birthday. >>> Understandably unaware that the 8 gig version of the Touch was never >>> updated to Version 3, she bought one. After all, on Apple's Canadian >>> website, it was listed only as "current." Further, nothing on the box listed >>> the item as version 2, a version which many of us know to be unaccessible. >>>>> >>>>> Since yesterday was Saturday, I spoke to Apple Support concerning my >>> issue, as Customer Service was closed. When I spoke to the agent who took my >>> call, I was told that information concerning the fact that the 8 gig touch >>> had not been updated to version three was all over the website. I would like >>> to ask him where such info is listed on the Canadian site, but instead I'll >>> simply take my case to Customer Service on Monday. >>>>> >>>>> My advice to those who are interested in purchasing the touch? If you >>> need accessibility, purchase only version 3 of the Touch which comes in the >>> 32 and 64 gig models. Anything less will not talk to you. And, so far >>> anyway, it has been my experience that Apple sees such problems as Buyer >>> Beware. Hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised to learn that my problem is >>> limited to one isolated agent. 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