I tend to agree with this. Sure names are cool and all, but how much time and effort have we collectively spent in determining a name? I see no problem with a release 15, and cutting a 15-1, 15-2, 15-3.
A friendly reminder, we only have 13 more releases before we run out of letters anyways. :) On Tuesday, July 7, 2015 at 11:10 PM, Michael Chapman wrote: > I'd like to propose we just use numbers for versioning our software. Both > random words and the year.cadence scheme are irritating in their own special > way. > Why not make it Openstack 13.0 and let the downstream distributions play in > the minefield that is naming software projects. > - Michael > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 3:50 PM, Michael Micucci <micu...@midokura.com > (mailto:micu...@midokura.com)> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > #4 was Mitaka (三鷹, meaning "three hawks"), I believe? > > > > Mitaka is a very beautiful city, if I may say so (I lived there, so I'm a > > bit biased :)), with Inokashira Park, a zoo, and many walking trails. > > Plus, the Ghibli Museum is there, which celebrates a very famous and > > well-loved animation studio throughout the world, with a similar pedigree > > to Disney in the U.S.A. (such as Spirited Away, Howl's Moving Castle, > > Nausicaa and the Valley of the Wind, My Neighbor Totoro, among many other > > great films) With animation being a world-wide export from Japan, it seems > > like a nice (and current) thing to celebrate. > > > > I'd like to support Iwamoto-san's proposal in the interest of peace and > > cooperation between our international communities, and suggest we switch to > > "Mitaka." > > > > I just hope there are no legal problems with this name as well. :) > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Michael Micucci > > > > > > > > On 07/08/2015 02:31 PM, IWAMOTO Toshihiro wrote: > > > It is totally understandable that the combination of "Japan" and > > > "Meiji" recalls harsh history to some people, especially in East Asia. > > > As a Japanese, I'm sorry for that. > > > > > > I think the release naming process should not cause such friction. > > > Could we just select some other neutral candidate name instead? > > > > > > At Wed, 08 Jul 2015 04:40:58 +0000, > > > Jaesuk Ahn wrote: > > > > Dear OpenStack Community, > > > > > > > > As Clint mentioned, there is some historical background regarding the > > > > name > > > > of "Meiji". > > > > > > > > I have been aware of the potential problem with "Meiji", however, I have > > > > not raise my voice here since it was not the top of the list. > > > > However, with current situation, IMHO, it is better to present my > > > > concern > > > > over this name. > > > > > > > > It was briefly mentioned in the previous email thread. > > > > Once again, please understand that the name "Meiji" can create some > > > > historical debate in East Asia, especially in Korea. Under the name of > > > > Emperor Meiji, Japan forcefully colonized Korea. Lots of people in Korea > > > > suffered during the colonization. Furthermore, this history is not the > > > > one > > > > only exists on the book. This is actually very recent event in terms of > > > > history. > > > > > > > > FYI, there is a wiki entry: > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea_under_Japanese_rule > > > > If you look at "legacy" section in the above wiki entry, you will > > > > understand what I am referring to. > > > > > > > > I am not saying the word "Meiji" is bad in general. I just want to state > > > > that this word can cause very negative feeling to some people in East > > > > Asia. > > > > > > > > I totally value the community's process and rules. I recognize that > > > > process > > > > to select "Meiji" itself was not the problem at all. > > > > However, I am sincerely asking the community to acknowledge my concern > > > > over > > > > this name, and please put some effort as a community to avoid any > > > > unnecessary debate. > > > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > > > Best wishes for everyone here in the community. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaesuk Ahn, Ph.D. > > > > member of OpenStack Community and OpenStack Korea User Group. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 2:24 AM Clint Byrum <cl...@fewbar.com > > > > (mailto:cl...@fewbar.com)> wrote: > > > > > > > > > http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/main_pop/kpct/kp_meiji.htm > > > > > > > > > > There's a summary of what Meiji might mean to historians. I'm not > > > > > sure if > > > > > OpenStack needs to be too concerned about this, but I believe this is > > > > > what > > > > > Ian is referring to as "historical and political debates in East > > > > > Asia." > > > > > > > > > > Seems like a hot-button name for OpenStack to adopt. > > > > > > > > > > Excerpts from Ian Y. Choi's message of 2015-07-07 05:40:52 -0700: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think the third name 'Meiji' may arise some historical and > > > > > > political > > > > > > debates in East Asia, as far as I know. > > > > > > > > > > > > Could you share what significant identified problems are on the > > > > > > first two > > > > > > selected from our election? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With many thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > /Ian > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Masayuki Igawa > > > > > > <masayuki.ig...@gmail.com (mailto:masayuki.ig...@gmail.com) > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > # I'm a native Japanese speaker :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015年7月7日(火) 20:33 Amrith Kumar <amr...@tesora.com > > > > > > > (mailto:amr...@tesora.com)>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe this (the google answer)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvw0A12aOGQ > > > > > > > > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvw0A12aOGQ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, this is correct pronunciation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But someone who is a native Japanese speaker should confirm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9vwge557hY > > > > > > > I think this is a casual version and Japanese people are familiar > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > -- Masayuki Igawa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -amrith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.S. the yahoo answer suggests that you pronounce it as "Meh - > > > > > > > > gee" > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the emphasis on the "meh" ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Matthias Runge [mailto:mru...@redhat.com] > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 6:08 AM > > > > > > > > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > > > > > > > > (mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org) > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] OpenStack Meiji (明治) - Our next > > > > > > > > release > > > > > name > > > > > > > > has been selected > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 11:48:13PM -0400, Monty Taylor wrote: > > > > > > > > > significant identified problems... but the third in the list, > > > > > > > > > Meiji > > > > > (明 > > > > > > > > > 治) is clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So please join me in welcoming the latest name to our family > > > > > > > > > ... and > > > > > > > > > if you, like me, are not a native Japanese speaker, in > > > > > > > > > learning two > > > > > > > > > new characters. > > > > > > > > Could someone provide a hint please, how to pronounce this > > > > > > > > properly? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Matthias Runge <mru...@redhat.com (mailto:mru...@redhat.com)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > > > openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > > > > > > > > (http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe) > > > > > > > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > > > > openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > > > > > > > > (http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe) > > > > > > > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > -- Masayuki Igawa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > > > > > (http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe) > > > > > > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > > > openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > > > > > (http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe) > > > > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > > Unsubscribe: > > > openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > > > (http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe) > > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > > (http://openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe) > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > (mailto:openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe) > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > >
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