I agree. Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:03 PM, Deborah Shapiro <dsni...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I agree that we should support the organizations to get things changed. The > fact remains that this is a National Recreation Area run by the National Park > Service and it’s supposed to be accessible to the public, not just to one > interest group. > >>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 8:46 PM, Anne Lazarus <amlazaru...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >> >> We should support Audubon, Linnaean etc in their process to change the >> permit parameters. It is not all that easy to buy a fishing permit, so I >> have been told. I had considered buying one. I would like to know how our >> supportive organizations are working on this problem. We do pay taxes. I >> live in Manhattan. Some of us are nervous to ride bicycles in the street >> with all the traffic. I am told we need to wait until April for the new >> permit process. I am glad the issue is being brought to a head. >> >>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:23 PM Ardith Bondi <ard...@earthlink.net> wrote: >>> But, isn’t the permit for fishermen only, or is there a permit for birders? >>> >>> Ardith >>> NYC >>> www.ardithbondi.com >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Dawn Hannay <dawn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>> I looked into it a little more, and one problem is that even though I’m >>>> willing to buy a permit, there is no plan nor projected date for when they >>>> will start selling the 2022 permit, even though the permit season starts >>>> February 1. The only people who can park legally in the meantime are >>>> existing 2021 permit holders. It seems unjust that one can only park with >>>> a valid permit, which is not available for purchase at this time. >>>> Dawn >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Jennifer Wilson-Pines <jwpi...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I know that there is a discussion with State parks to create a birders >>>>> permit, perhaps that can also be proposed if they don't want to have >>>>> general public using limited parking >>>>> >>>>> Jennifer >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 6:12 PM Stanley Greenberg >>>>>> <greenbergph...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be >>>>>> accessible to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. I >>>>>> bike there sometimes but I realize that's not an option for everyone. I >>>>>> know some birding groups are working on this but it never hurts to write >>>>>> to Gateway management and the local Congressperson, Gergory Meeks. It's >>>>>> absurd that people who take (fish) are given a higher priority than >>>>>> people who watch (birds). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar <trach...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks and my >>>>>>> guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> L. Trachtenberg >>>>>>> Ossining NY >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus <amlazaru...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this year, and >>>>>>>> you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups are fighting >>>>>>>> this unjust regulation. Gordon doubts the new rule can be changed >>>>>>>> this season. It also applies to the fisherman`s lot at the hotel area, >>>>>>>> part of Fort Tilden. If there is any action to be taken, we will know >>>>>>>> about it from the organizations representing us. I know. It is not >>>>>>>> right. It is also about money. The fishermen they say are complaining >>>>>>>> they have no parking space. From my experience that is not true. There >>>>>>>> are always lots of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we cannot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if >>>>>>>> another driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and the >>>>>>>> second driver gives the first driver a little time on the beach. The >>>>>>>> rest can go back to the main area, and then later pick up the original >>>>>>>> driver., complicated, but possible, Bird different areas and take >>>>>>>> turns. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro <dsni...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill <rjoneill...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. Without the >>>>>>>>>> permit you can be towed. >>>>>>>>>> Bob O’Neill >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus <amlazaru...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I will ask Gordon Lam. Probably not a problem >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Dawn Hannay <dawn...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Can anyone tell me what the situation is now for parking at >>>>>>>>>>> > Breezy Point? We used to park at the fishermen’s lot which was >>>>>>>>>>> > legal in winter, but I seem to remember some change in that >>>>>>>>>>> > policy. >>>>>>>>>>> > Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>> > Dawn Hannay >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > NYSbirds-L List Info: >>>>>>>>>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm >>>>>>>>>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm >>>>>>>>>>> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > ARCHIVES: >>>>>>>>>>> > 1) >>>>>>>>>>> > http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html >>>>>>>>>>> > 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >>>>>>>>>>> > 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > Please submit your observations to eBird: >>>>>>>>>>> > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ARCHIVES: >>>>>>>>>>> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html >>>>>>>>>>> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >>>>>>>>>>> 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please submit your observations to eBird: >>>>>>>>>>> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>>>>>>>>> Welcome and Basics >>>>>>>>>> Rules and Information >>>>>>>>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>>>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>>>> The Mail Archive >>>>>>>>>> Surfbirds >>>>>>>>>> ABA >>>>>>>>>> Please submit your observations to eBird! >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>>>>>>> Welcome and Basics >>>>>>>> Rules and Information >>>>>>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>>> The Mail Archive >>>>>>>> Surfbirds >>>>>>>> ABA >>>>>>>> Please submit your observations to eBird! >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>>>>>> Welcome and Basics >>>>>>> Rules and Information >>>>>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> The Mail Archive >>>>>>> Surfbirds >>>>>>> ABA >>>>>>> Please submit your observations to eBird! >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>>>>> Welcome and Basics >>>>>> Rules and Information >>>>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> The Mail Archive >>>>>> Surfbirds >>>>>> ABA >>>>>> Please submit your observations to eBird! >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jennifer Wilson-Pines >>>> >>>> -- >>>> NYSbirds-L List Info: >>>> Welcome and Basics >>>> Rules and Information >>>> Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>>> Archives: >>>> The Mail Archive >>>> Surfbirds >>>> ABA >>>> Please submit your observations to eBird! >>>> -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES.htm http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birding.aba.org/maillist/NY01 Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
