The federal government repeatedly has cut budgets for park and recreation areas over the past 20 years. At this point our tax dollars actually do not cover even a bare bones budges for these areas and fees for parking and other services are an increasingly important part of their budgets. Perhaps a "Friends of Gateway National Recreation Area" could be formed by birders or a local bird club and used to raise funds, which would make birders part of the financial picture without placing a burden on those who have less money to pay for a permit or a Lyft ride?
On 2/3/2022 7:08 PM, Adelia Honeywood wrote: > When I went recently we parked at Fort Tilden and then took a Lyft > over to the Fisherman's Lot at Breezy. You can also take the Q35 bus > until just over the Marine Pkwy Bridge and take an Uber or Lyft from > there. > > I agree with Stanley though that a national park is supposed to be > accessible to all - or at least to a wider pool of stakeholders. The > NPS in recent years has been very public campaigning to attract > greater diversity in visitors. Having an area that is accessible to > nobody but a gated community and a few permit holders is not in > keeping with their stated values regarding a public resource (which > all of our tax dollars pay for). Reaching out to the Congressional > reps and the Parks Service itself to point this out couldn't hurt and > may attract attention. > > (And I realize in saying this, that it will still only be most easily > accessible to drivers, which is a bigger issue...) > > On Thursday, February 3, 2022, 06:12:09 PM EST, Stanley Greenberg > <greenbergph...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > This is part of Gateway National Recreation Area, it should be > accessible to all. It's not like there's a bus that goes there either. > I bike there sometimes but I realize that's not an option for > everyone. I know some birding groups are working on this but it never > hurts to write to Gateway management and the local Congressperson, > Gergory Meeks. It's absurd that people who take (fish) are given a > higher priority than people who watch (birds). > > > On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:34 PM Trachlar <trach...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Or don’t bird where certain folks don’t want certain other folks > and my guess is it’s not the birders they don’t want (primarily). > > L. Trachtenberg > Ossining NY > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:27 PM, Anne Lazarus <amlazaru...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> Gordon just got back to me. Yes, they changed the rules this >> year, and you need the permit. Audubon, Linnaean and other groups >> are fighting this unjust regulation. Gordon doubts the new rule >> can be changed this season. It also applies to the fisherman`s >> lot at the hotel area, part of Fort Tilden. If there is any >> action to be taken, we will know about it from the organizations >> representing us. I know. It is not right. It is also about money. >> The fishermen they say are complaining they have no parking >> space. From my experience that is not true. There are always lots >> of empty spots. I was planning to go, but we cannot. >> >> Maybe one member of the group can drop the others off and then if >> another driver in the car. The original driver comes back, and >> the second driver gives the first driver a little time on the >> beach. The rest can go back to the main area, and then later pick >> up the original driver., complicated, but possible, Bird >> different areas and take turns. >> >> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 5:14 PM Deborah Shapiro >> <dsni...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Where is there parking for handicapped hang tags? >> >>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 5:04 PM, Robert O'Neill >>> <rjoneill...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Parking there is legal only with a fisherman’s permit. >>> Without the permit you can be towed. >>> Bob O’Neill >>> On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 3:52 PM Anne Lazarus >>> <amlazaru...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I will ask Gordon Lam. 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