> On Jul 9, 2015, at 23:08 , Ricky Beam <jfb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:15:57 -0400, Karl Auer <ka...@biplane.com.au> wrote: >> Actually I was mentioning thousands. > > Dozens, millions, whatever. Pick something and get on with it already.
I don’t know anyone that’s going to get upset with you if you deploy /48s to end sites. Sure, there are lots of /56 advocates out there, but none of them are going to cause grief if you use /48 instead. ALL of the RIRs accept /48 as an end-site assignment without question. We picked /48 a long time ago. I’m not sure why longer prefixes keep coming up. I think it’s IPv4-think on the part of people who can’t get their heads out of the scarcity mentality. >> What you personally don't foresee is pretty much irrelevant to what will >> actually happen... > > And planning for a future that doesn't happen because you're too caught up in > *planning* that future is irrelevant, too. I’m fully dual-stacked and have a /48 in my house. Do you? I’ve been implementing IPv6 in various networks for years. I’ve probably dual-stacked more than 100 networks by now. How many have you done? I don’t think any of us advocating /48s are sitting here planning without implementing. >> Like pretty much the entire current generation of net techs, your >> imagination is limited by your past. But there are kids in school right >> now who do not suffer from the same limitations - and they will build >> wonders. > > And in ~15 years when they have a jobs, they can change what we built. > (assuming ever let the paint dry long enough to use it.) I tend to think of the internet more like powder-coating. It goes on dry and often comes out half-baked. >> PS: People keep dissing "home users" saying how they are incapable of >> understanding stuff and installing all these complex networks. Twenty >> years ago getting online at home took lots of know-how; getting more >> than one device online in the home took even more. Now you can just buy >> a $50 bit of kit, plug it in and your desktops, laptops, smartphones, >> tablets, televisions, digital radios and wireless sound systems just >> work. With main and guest networks, multiple wifi protocols, and in many >> cases basic IPv6 as well. There is no reason to think that the >> complexity of future networks will not be equally well packaged for the >> home. > > 20 years ago was 1995. It took "some" know how (how to run setup.exe on the > floppy you ISP sent you.) Windows 95 made it much easier by having that > software in the default OS. Building a network took a bit longer to (a) be > wanted/needed and (b) be available and affordable in the home. (few people > had more than one computer to network in the first place. Today, you have > three of them on your person at any given moment.) > > Despite the proliferation of the internet and network tech, the average > person today knows even less than two decades ago. Because everything "just > works". IPv6 will never get there until it, too, "just works". We're still a > long way off in the home -- both because providers aren't doing it, and > because the CPE tech is lagging. Mobile by contrast, due to necessity and > speed of tech turnover, is there already; you have to intentionally check to > know you're using IPv6. We can agree to disagree… I made good money back then helping home users get their home networks set up because it was too hard for them to do themselves as a side gig. IPv6 is “just working” for a millions of home users that wouldn’t know it if they (or someone else) didn’t deliberately check. That’s reality today. The number is growing fairly quickly as well. Owen
