Dear Kurt, all,

A bunch of thanks for the detective work. I do not have much to add,
especially given I donot see myself doing more than participating to
feature design. To be ven more precise, I do not see myself code
anything, partly because I start to be rather involved in understanding
accessibility issues (I'm visually impaired) and that already demands an
incredible amount of time and energy, especially when it comes to the
graphical user interface and if you take into accountthe incredible
number of actors involved in the game.

Coming back to what you wrote about Mutt's way of handling lists, I must
say I find the configurations of lists rather cumbersome at the moment
so the simplifications you propose would be more than welcome. Perhaps,
in the absence of a List-Post, we would need a kind of map to associate
the content of List-Id to a List-Post value?

As I understand it, knowing whether a user is subscribed to a list or
not is also very helpful to make sure we do not get responses twice. I
do not knowwhether I am wrong or right but I always foundMutt's way of
dealing with the situation superior to other mail user agents, andI
continue to be annoyed when I receive a response ot a message I sent to
a mailing list twice, once through the list and once directly.

One final note: I don't now how other muttusers go about archiving their
emails but I continue to have dedicated mailboxes (maildirs, to be
precise) for mailing lists and this, too, requires a quantity of
configuration that can be found a bit cumbersome.

For instance here is the configuration I have for this list:

subscribe mutt-users@mutt.org
fcc-hook '~t mutt-users@mutt.org|~c mutt-users@mutt.org' '=list/mutt-users/'
save-hook '~t mutt-users@mutt.org|~c mutt-users@mutt.org' '=list/mutt-users/'

It's definitely not unbearable, but each time I add a mailing list and
duplicate such lines I feel a bit sad about the redundancy, to the point
that I regularly find myself thinking that one day I will write a
generator to generate my Mutt configuration from a less verbose format.

The thing is, inspite of all these little pebbles, I never considered
using another MUA than Mutt, whihc I now use for 24 years Ithink. I did
hear about cool kids MUAs like notmuch and alot but never felt brave
enough to even try them. Funnily enough, rather than experimenting with
them and maybe noticing that they would give me access to suepr-useful
features I could't not even dream about, it seems I preferred, recently,
investing a lot of time improving  my Mutt configuraiton to make it work
as well as possible for my use-case, which is that I do not use procmail
and prefer to read emails directly through IMAP tomake sure they will
all get a chance to receive a bit of my attention, as I am convinced if
I would let procmail put them in mailboxes for me there would be a buch
of mailboxes I would never visit.

Apologies for the long braindump, it almost feels like me being in
therapy about my relationship with Mutt... Please all, let me know
theprice for the session.

Seb.

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