On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 06:08:09PM -0700, jacob certain wrote: > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 13:14, lee<l...@yun.yagibdah.de> wrote: > > That's interesting; I never tried gmail. An a webinterface isn't what > > I want, but it means that I really have to try sup. > > You should sign up just to see what it's like. Mutt is definitely not > intended to be used the way you want to use it. You should definitely > look into sup. I don't think you'll completely like it, but I think it > does more of what you want than mutt.
Maybe --- I found out that there's a Debian package "sup-mail". I installed it and started trying it out, but the idea behind it seems to be the opposite of I was looking for. As I suspected, they have abandoned the idea of organizing mail, and you don't have any folders other than one (the inbox). Unfortunately, it's buggy, so it's difficult to try it out. Even if I should not like it, the good thing is that it leaves all the mail where it is and doesn't mess around with your mail storage. > No, that's wrong. Like I said, I've only defined my inbox, sent, and > draft folders. I have at least twenty other folders made mandatory by > the it department/exchange, plus several of my own folders that I > regularly use. I copy/save/read mail in all of these without problem, > and without specifically defining them. Granted, mutt still isn't > exactly the interface you want with folders in the same view as > messages, so yes, you do have to press c tab tab and select, or c > =name-of-folder. Not my experience --- afair mutt asked me for the server and for the username and for the password every time I wanted to change to another folder, and it didn't list any folders. It really sucks when you have to retype the whole login over and over again and can't even see what's on the server. > I believe it should only prompt you for your password once. I, > however, am too lazy for even that and keep my password in my muttrc. Like I said, you can probably get it to work when you edit the configuration long enough. But I wanted to use it only to move the mail from the IMAP server to my local storage --- an easy task that shouldn't take more than a few minutes, one would think, but it turned out to be impossible. > I haven't had this problem using imap. There aren't any local folders > for me to muck with, and all instances of mutt happily update > themselves without conflicting with each other. I regularly keep > instances open for my inbox, sent items, and archive folder for quick > and easy searching. Mutt automatically updates its configuration after you edited it? There can be other things than folders you may want to change in the configuration. And why do you need to run several instances of mutt when it's no problem to access IMAP folders? You could run only one and change folders when needed. > > I very rarely used several instances, only when I needed to look up a > > mail while I was writing one. I wished from the beginning that mutt > > was able to continue to function while I'm writing a mail in an > > external editor ... > > Yep, mutt just isn't designed to be a multi-paned app. You should > write one. It would take a long time to do that. I thought about it long ago, but decided not to try. Afair at that time, I was thinking that it's probably too difficult --- I wouldn't be afraid about that now, but I don't have the time. > Maybe you'd only need an ncurses type wrapper for mutt, > with an added bit of code for your categories. I think it'd be handy. > But, I am not a programmer, and so I'm content with Mutt. A long time ago, I took a look at the source code of mutt. It seemed to be very difficult to figure it out. But it would probably still be much easier than writing a new MUA from scratch. There's actually a patch that shows folders in the side panel so that you can see if there are new messages. I tried it long ago and didn't find it useful. Perhaps I should try it out again. > Way better than Outlook or Thunderbird for plain old email. Indeed! I found the email client that was built into Mozilla pretty good. It worked even very well with IMAP after they managed to make it fast enough. I wonder what happened to that ... Not that I would use it when I can use mutt and emacs, but I'm missing the full-featured Mozilla that had the email client and an IRC client. I tried Thunderbird and it somehow sucks. Nowadays you need to have and to use several different web browsers just to display websites because a website that one browser can't display can be viewed with the other one, and the other way round. Why can't they make a decent web browser anymore that doesn't eat 2GB RAM and still struggles with displaying web pages? Outlook is a groupware client that has some sort of half-working email support, but not a MUA ...
