Darren, et al --

...and then darren chamberlain said...
% 
% * Shawn McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-29 15:43]:
% > begin  darren chamberlain quotation:
% > > * Marco Fioretti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-04-29 13:52]:
% > > > Last but not least: what was that JAVA applet called anyway?
% > > 
% > > I think you're looking for MindTerm, which google tells me is at
% > > <http://www.appgate.com/ag.asp?template=products&level1=product_mindterm>.
% > 
% > However, FYI, a Java telnet isn't going to do what Marco wants.
% 
% yeah, but that's what he asked for. ;)

It is?  He specifically said that he is limited to a web browser to get
through the firewall.


% 
% > If his company only lets http through the firewall, then running a Java
% > telnet on his home system will give him a nice Java applet running on
% > his side of the firewall, no more able to connect to his home system
% > than a telnet written in any other language.
% 
% True.  I think what he meant was some sort of java app that can run on
% the server side (i.e., behind the firewall) and connect out to his

I'm getting confused between server side and other side, but it seemed
pretty clear that he needs to

  - sit at a client with a web browser
  - get through the firewall looking like web traffic
  - log in on his box at home for interactive shell processing

no?


% machine on the other side, since outgoing traffic is usually less
% restricted than incoming traffic.  What he *really* wants here is
% something to kick off a port-forwarding ssh on the internal side that
% will allow him to log into a box behind the firewall.

Hmmm...  That still sounds inside-out.


% 
% > Sounds like he needs some kind of http-based proxy, unless the firewall
% > is dumb enough to let non-http things through port 80, in which case I'd
% > recommend ssh.
% 
% If the company lets through port 80, they probably also let through port
% 443; run an sshd on port 443 (all encrypted traffic looks the same, but
% encrypted traffic going through port 80 will look suspicious -- assuming
% someone is looking at the streams going through the firewall), and
% you've got yourself an instant hole in the firewall.

Hey, now that's not a bad idea, and it would certainly last him until he
needed ssl support.


% 
% This is one of the principle reasons why firewalls are ineffective, BTW.

Yeah.  Generally better than unplugging the wire, though :-)


% 
% (darren)
% 
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% free, or we are subjects of a tyrannical system.  If we lose one
% freedom in a thousand, we become completely subjugated.


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