On 2000.07.24, in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        "David T-G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> David, et al --
>
> % So, short answer: Eudora can send to Mutt, but Mutt can't send to
> % Eudora, and it's Eudora's fault.
>
> FWIW, I have been able to send with mutt-0.95.4i and pgp5; my recipient
> may whine a bit, but he's been reading the messages well for quite a
> while now (since his upgrade a few months ago).

Yes... to be more precise: Eudora can read signed messages, but (in my
experience) it can neither verify signed PGP/MIME messages, nor decrypt
encrypted PGP/MIME messages.

> In addition, I never have a problem reading his mail, but that could be
> because I'm using the procmail recipe from PGP-Notes and don't have to
> worry about it any more :-)

Yeah.  I just took that out of my own config so I can test this a
little more -- I've just been studying Eudora the last couple of days.

ME gave some sample macros for circumventing this issue when he posted
his edit-type patch, I think; these should work in absence of
procmail.

> I tried sending old-style messages with pgp_create_traditional; he tells
> me that Eudora detaches the message and he has to go and find it and
> open it (he chooses to use Word, of all things!), and the text is there.

I'm not familiar with pgp_create_traditional -- I haven't been paying
attention to this area of development, since it all works OK for me so
far. :)

> I searched both mutt archives and a teeny bit of the web in general, but
> didn't find anything.  Is "the old way" what you meant, or do you hint at
> something else?

Yes: I was referring to macros for filtering components through
PGP/GPG.  You posted one of them.  (Ah, no substitute for personal
archives.  Web archives can all * * *!)

Here are examples with citations, altered a bit to be more readable.  A
lot of you have these already, but maybe this makes a useful summary
for the FAQ or something.  I think these will work, but I haven't
tested them all since rewriting them.  Check primary sources if in
doubt.

I'm not sure which of these would work best with Eudora, and my
"Eudora-empowered" PC is not at hand.

The usual disclaimers: I don't mean to suggest that there aren't better
sources for this stuff; this is just what I found.  No resposibility if
this stuff crashes your mailer, erases your mail, drowns your fish,
etc.  Everything I say is a lie.


+ Basic composition filter to traditionally encode the current message
  component (typically the only component in a us-ascii, text/plain
  message), using PGP 2 or NAI's PGP 6. [1]
    macro compose S "<filter-entry>pgp +verbose=0 -fast \
        +clearsig=on\ny<edit-type><kill-line>application/pgp; \
        format=text; x-action=sign\n"

+ Use of the edit-type function to coerce a message into application/pgp
  format without use of procmail. [2]
    macro index  \eS "<edit-type><kill-line>application/pgp; format=text; \
        x-action=sign\n"
    macro index  \eE "<edit-type><kill-line>application/pgp; format=text; \
        x-action=encrypt\n"
    macro pager  \eS "<edit-type><kill-line>application/pgp; format=text; \
        x-action=sign\n"
    macro pager  \eE "<edit-type><kill-line>application/pgp; format=text; \
        x-action=encrypt\n"
    macro attach \eS "<edit-type><kill-line>application/pgp; format=text; \
        x-action=sign\n"
    macro attach \eE "<edit-type><kill-line>application/pgp; format=text; \
        x-action=encrypt\n"

+ Composition filters for signing and encryption with PGP 5. [3]
    # old-style signing
    macro compose S "<filter-entry>pgps +verbose=0 -fat \
        +clearsig=on\ny<edit-type><kill-line>application/pgp;format=text; \
        x-action=sign\n"
    # old-style encrypting  ### have to hard-code recipient for now...
    macro compose E "<filter-entry>pgpe -s -r RECIPIENT -r 0xYOURKEY \
        -fat\nyapplication/pgp; format=text; x-action=encrypt\n" 

    D. T-G: "There is a patch out there, I believe, which will let you
    insert %r at RECIPIENT, but I forget what it is :-)"  dgc: I'm not
    sure how this applies, myself, since there's no context in which to
    select a recipient.  Seems you'd need pgpe to ask you, but I've
    never used it, so I'll leave it alone.

+ Composition filter for application/pgp signing using GnuPG. [4]
    macro compose S "<filter-entry>gpg --sign --armor --textmode \
        --clearsign\ny<edit-type><kill-line>application/pgp; format=text; \
        x-action=sign\n" 'clearsign the message'

+ Composition filter for very traditional (not even MIME at all) signing
  and encrypting, using PGP 2 or PGP 6. [5]
    macro compose S "<filter-entry>pgp +verbose=0  -fast 
+clearsig=on\ny<edit-type><kill-line>text/plain\n"
    macro compose E "<filter-entry>pgp +verbose=0 -feast 
+clearsig=on\ny<edit-type><kill-line>text/plain\n"

[1] Included documentation, from mutt-*.*.*/doc/PGP-Notes.txt
[2] M. Elkins, in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[3] D. T-G, in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[4] [EMAIL PROTECTED], in <m12rJjB-000jXxC@localhost>
[5] C. Cera, in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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 -D.    [EMAIL PROTECTED]        NSIT    University of Chicago

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