Le Thursday 28 October 2010 03:34:15, Theo de Raadt a icrit :
> > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:26 PM, FRLinux <frli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Theo de Raadt
> > > <dera...@cvs.openbsd.org>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >> The design process followed by the NFSv4 team members matches the
> > >> methodology taken by the IPV6 people. =A0(As in, once a mistake is
> > >> made,
> > >
> > > Sorry, I'll bite. What exactly is wrong with IPv6 here? I gathered
> > > from this list not a lot of developers here like it, but I still don't
> > > get it. Please educate me (this should be enlightening).
> >
> > Instead of fixing the one problem with v4, they decided to fix a
> > thousand additional "problems" that nobody really cares about.
>
> in that regard i disagree, but perhaps only in tone.
>
> With ipv6, they decided to create a bunch of new problems that
> people now find they care deeply about
>
>     - they created a totally new problem by avoiding arp.  the
>       benefit of their layer-2 discovery mechanism has been
>       absolutely zero; the best unit of measure for the cost of
>       that decision is "decades".
>
>     - they created a new problem by punting global routing to
>       "further study" (in this, they showed that they had deep
>       familiarity with appletalk and ipx).
>
>     - they created an entirely new and huge problem (destroying
>       SIOCGIFCONF backwards compat hurt IPV6 deployment in operating
>       systems on a massive scale) by not making their sockaddr be
>       a power of 2 in size.  it sounds silly, but it turns out it
>       is the kind of thing which matters.  when they were told of
>       this problem (very early on) they said something like "oh,
>       but we already have 3 engineers in the world running their
>       own ipv6 test code, so it is too late to change that".
>       this is the specific mindset which results in layers of bad
>       decisions papered over top of each other.
>
> shit which comes out of research organizations all tends to suck these
> days, doesn't it.  or perhaps it always did (OSI networking, ipv6,
> same same).
>
> i have theorized in the past that the problem we face is
> that an insufficient number of axe murderers are attending those kinds
> of research meetings.

Why not taking part of intl. engineering ? Thus you could act upon worldwide
decisions.

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