"Do not pretend that you have no choice." quite
This is indeed the point. It's hard, it hurts, but it's the point. After one year of migration, I am now using exclusively obsd on this laptop, without any kind of blob, and all hardware is supported. I have learnt to be patient. If you support your football team, you have to support it also when it loses a match, and obsd is playing a difficult game against a team of a billion vendors with weapons of massive destruction. I support them. I come from the linux side and obsd has given me things I had only heard about like; e.g. "when you don't know what programme tretetrertwe does, type man tretetrertwe" Wrong. When I switched to obsd I could not believe that a man could be THAT useful. In linux I was googling for answers. Also: Releases. I do SEE the new work in obsd releases. I almost did not see anything in the linux world, artwork, probably, full stop. Sometimes also things that worked before stopped working. Note that I do not want to make out of this (yet) another linux-obsd war. I mention linux because it _was_ my OS before. Full stop here, please. The bottom line: you have the choice 2007/12/2, ropers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [quotes rearranged (but not changed) for easier parsing] > > On 02/12/2007, Jonathan Schleifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I neither use Skype, nor do I promote it. > > (...) > > Again: I never said it's ok to run it. > > (...) > > I've recommended not running it outside of a chroot. > > (...) > > I care about security and recommended to run Skype *ONLY* in > > chroot or vm. > > ...which is still running it, and implying that it's ok to do so, as > long as it's inside a chroot. > > > I have a lot of friends who use ICQ > > and Skype, I'm forced to use it as well as many of them are unwilling > > to switch to something else. > > So you DO use Skype, after all. You said above that you didn't. Which is it? > > > I'm against BLOBs, but still I use the proprietary NVidia drivers on Linux > > since I > > need 3D support. > (...) > > Yes, sometimes I have to use windows. > > You do not need and do not have to. You always have a choice. Even if > it gets to be "our only weapon is our refusal." I'm not telling you > what choice to make. I know that it's hard to unconditionally and > uncompromisingly stand up for one's principles. I'm not better than > you in that regard. But it is a *choice*. A choice and a trade-off, > because you decided that NVidia 3D graphics and whatever Windows does > for you is more important than staying blob-free. Do not pretend that > you have no choice. Your decisions are your choice and **your > responsibility**, and **your** choice is NOT the responsibility of > your fellow Skype or Windows or NVidia users. > > > You have to balance between ideology and use. > > You're on the wrong email list with that view. This point has been > argued repeatedly here -- and again, and again, and again, ad > infinitum et ad nauseam. The bottom line is that most OpenBSD users > are not fond of such compromises. Yes, some of us still sometimes make > them **cough** I got a free NVIDIA card, and wanted to run Google > Earth on Linux and... **cough**, but most folks here are VERY ashamed > when making such compromises, and recognize them as inherent wrongs, > and would never be so foolish as to try to defend these dirty little > secrets. And I think most OpenBSD users would not say that they "have > to", they would admit that they chose to, maybe against their better > judgment. > > > Daniel Ouellet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > you kind of promote to > > > use buggy software (...) by the fact that it is widely > > > use and as such you can't run something else? > > This seems to me to be a perfectly reasonable summary of your position. > > --ropers
