[quotes rearranged (but not changed) for easier parsing] On 02/12/2007, Jonathan Schleifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I neither use Skype, nor do I promote it. > (...) > Again: I never said it's ok to run it. > (...) > I've recommended not running it outside of a chroot. > (...) > I care about security and recommended to run Skype *ONLY* in > chroot or vm.
...which is still running it, and implying that it's ok to do so, as long as it's inside a chroot. > I have a lot of friends who use ICQ > and Skype, I'm forced to use it as well as many of them are unwilling > to switch to something else. So you DO use Skype, after all. You said above that you didn't. Which is it? > I'm against BLOBs, but still I use the proprietary NVidia drivers on Linux > since I > need 3D support. (...) > Yes, sometimes I have to use windows. You do not need and do not have to. You always have a choice. Even if it gets to be "our only weapon is our refusal." I'm not telling you what choice to make. I know that it's hard to unconditionally and uncompromisingly stand up for one's principles. I'm not better than you in that regard. But it is a *choice*. A choice and a trade-off, because you decided that NVidia 3D graphics and whatever Windows does for you is more important than staying blob-free. Do not pretend that you have no choice. Your decisions are your choice and **your responsibility**, and **your** choice is NOT the responsibility of your fellow Skype or Windows or NVidia users. > You have to balance between ideology and use. You're on the wrong email list with that view. This point has been argued repeatedly here -- and again, and again, and again, ad infinitum et ad nauseam. The bottom line is that most OpenBSD users are not fond of such compromises. Yes, some of us still sometimes make them **cough** I got a free NVIDIA card, and wanted to run Google Earth on Linux and... **cough**, but most folks here are VERY ashamed when making such compromises, and recognize them as inherent wrongs, and would never be so foolish as to try to defend these dirty little secrets. And I think most OpenBSD users would not say that they "have to", they would admit that they chose to, maybe against their better judgment. > Daniel Ouellet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > you kind of promote to > > use buggy software (...) by the fact that it is widely > > use and as such you can't run something else? This seems to me to be a perfectly reasonable summary of your position. --ropers
