I believe it is usually accomplished via the use of Citrix or Terminal
services allowing centralization of the data. 


Arthur Young
Interbit Data, Inc.
(508) 647-0013 x114
 

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Davis Daniel - Southern Hills
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:01 PM
To: Kenny Whiteside; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Subject: RE: [MEDITECH-L] Access to eMAR

Now that's a neat trick if you can do it!  Think of the logistics involved
with grabbing the complete state of everything on a PC and then recreating
that on a different PC anywhere on the network.  That would nearly require
that the PC reboot for each user, and all of that data would have to be
transmitted across the network to that new PC (that is if you could even
figure out a way to store it in the first place).
Wow!  What a problem.

Daniel Davis

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Kenny Whiteside
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:57 AM
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Perhaps!  I'm not an IT person... but my understanding of proximity cards is
that they simply lock the computer or automatically log the user off.  That
might help prevent the need for additional authentication once logged in if
no one else can access that computer until the logged in user returns.  But
that creates additional problems.

And the second part of what I believe nurses need is to be able to walk up
to ANY other computer and the session that they are logged into is "brought"
to that computer for them exactly where they were rather than having to
start back at the beginning of the log-in process.  You see, the problem is
that the process of "logging in" that we use was designed for an office
environment.  Healthcare is migratory in nature!  And that is especially
true for nursing!

Thanks,
Kenny Whiteside

>>> "Saira Somani-Mendelin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/19/07 10:36
AM >>>
Would proximity cards not be helpful in the situations you describe?

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Kenny Whiteside
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Subject: RE: [MEDITECH-L] Access to eMAR

I can see the need for the additional authentication (although as a nurse I
would prefer that this not be necessary!)  The difference in paper versus
electronic documentation is that on paper, you have an opportunity to
examine handwriting to determine whether the documentation was forged by
another person.  Not true with electronic documentation.

Image a computer at the bedside of a computer savy patient.  The nurse is
documenting the physical assessment when there is a code blue two doors
down.  Do you think she will log-out before responding?  It would be bad if
the patient viewed HIPPA protected information.  But it could be a patient
safety issue if they documented that meds were given that were not!  And
there would be no way in the record to determine that it was NOT the nurse
who documented this information!

Until the healthcare environment has reliable technology to automatically
disable the nurse's session when she walks away from a computer and then
return that session to any computer that she walks up to.... this will
continue to be a problem.  I look forward to the day that there is a good
solution to this.

My humble opinion!

Thanks,
Kenny Whiteside

>>> "Kimberly Frick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/18/07 10:21 AM >>>
I thought that an additional level of authentication was unnecessary too,
but our State Pharmacy Board requires it. This level of security doesn't
exist in the paper MAR world, so why is it so restrictive in the electronic
version?  
Our State Board of Pharmacy requires us to enter our pin last, so we did not
have a choice for that either. The only advantage I can see of entering it
last is that you can access the e-mar to view the MAR, run MAR reports or do
anything else except document without entering your pin. The "enter pin"
prompt only comes up when you document something.

 
Kim Frick, RN
Project Coordinator
Licking Memorial Health Systems
Phone: 740-348-4114
Fax: 740-348-4769
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www.LMHealth.org
 


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Sharon LaDuke
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Subject: RE: [MEDITECH-L] Access to eMAR


I recently worked for a multi-facility organization which did not require
anything additional for eMAR access. No problems that I ever heard of.
Sharon

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Kenny Whiteside
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 2:42 PM
To: Deborah L O'Briant; meditech-l@MTUsers.com
Subject: Re: [MEDITECH-L] Access to eMAR

Deborah,

We just had this discussion this afternoon also!  If your nurses ALWAYS log
off when they walk away from their computers.... I would say that the
redundancy would be insane.  But I also know that in the fast-paced, pulled
in every direction at once world of hospital nursing... that's not likely to
happen.  For this reason, we chose to require the user's password when
entering the eMAR from the Status Board.

But who knows, maybe someday we will decide that this is not necessary!

Have a good weekend,
Kenny Whiteside

>>> "O'Briant, Deborah L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 06/11/2007 11:38
PM >>>
Hello All, 
 
I am trying to gauge how the majority of sites live with the eMAR set up
their password/pin options in MIS. We are currently using the NUR Status
Board and the Project lead for nursing wants to take out any additional
requirement to authenticate the user signing on to the eMAR.
The thought is that the original request for a user mnemonic/password to log
onto Meditech is sufficient and asking for the password again if accessing
the eMAR, once in the Status Board, is redundant (we've set it up so all
inpatient nurses get the Status Board upon successful sign-in). 
 
Our State Board of Pharmacy does not currently have any specific guidelines
(yet) for us to follow. 
 
Has anyone experienced problems (ie, diversion) with the eMar and what
security was in place at the time? I am trying to think of every scenario
where having no additional requirement to access the eMAR might get us into
trouble. 
 
I greatly appreciate anyone taking a minute to answer this posting! 
Thanks in advance!
 
Deborah O'Briant
Sr. Project Manager
IT Applications
Arkansas Children's Hospital
(501) 364-3643
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