> On May 20, 2024, at 5:04 PM, Marv Gandall via groups.io 
> <marvgand2=gmail....@groups.io> wrote:
> 
> I am kidding. Like you, I believe Mao's China and Stalin's Soviet Union were 
> the closest approximation to proletarian democracy the world has ever seen,

When did China have independent trade unions?  And Stalin's soviet union had 
democratic workers' organizations, too?  I'm surprised to read that.

Mark



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