On 2025-03-07 at 12:58:28 UTC-0500 (Fri, 7 Mar 2025 18:58:28 +0100)
Matus UHLAR - fantomas via mailop <uh...@fantomas.sk>
is rumored to have said:

On 2025-03-07 at 06:04:25 UTC-0500 (Fri, 7 Mar 2025 12:04:25 +0100)
Thomas Walter via mailop <b...@fh-muenster.de>
is rumored to have said:

AFTER they
did contact all the abuse contacts of networks still using it?

On 07.03.25 12:21, Bill Cole via mailop wrote:
That definitely DID NOT HAPPEN, because it is intrinsically impossible.

Why do you think that

The word "all" has a meaning.

As someone who receives abuse contact mail for multiple RIR-allocated blocks, I am absolutely sure that no such contact was made. It also did not land in abuse@ for ANY domain of mine, although those are not registered, just standard.

I am also quite certain that many registered abuse contacts are email black holes through which no one can possibly be contacted.

Just in my previous e-mail I have reported that I found 5 mails in our ticketing system from 3 weeks ago related to hosts still using their DNSBL.

So they definitely did contact some abuse contact.

The meanings of the words "some" and "all" are quite different.

FWIW, I think there's been no valid excuse for "list the world" tactics for any DNSBL which has existed as long as NixSpam since the publication of RFC6471. It is a "MUST NOT" behavior. They are still not doing what the RFC recommends, *which it recommends for good reasons.* It is surprising that they have not properly stubbed out the zone with a delegation to TEST-NET, since they have 2 different options for where they cauterize the zone: ix or dnsbl.

I guess the world just needs another prominent rude and sloppy DNSBL decommissioning once a decade to remind everyone that a right way exists.


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