My current theory is Google accounts are the latest in a long line of 
abandonware…they “perfected it” so got rid of development and support and don’t 
care to fix any glaring issues…. It will only be addressed when it impacts the 
bottom line when it will be terminated or fixed…. Just like the litany of other 
failed Google products.

As to the message  I’m replying to directly..  yeah might be what happened to 
my account..  mine was created for the one and only Android device I have when 
I needed an app..  the phone number used wasn’t even the device it was the temp 
pre-pay sim I got when I landed back in Aus before I setup internet and phone 
contracts.  It expired and I didn’t even realise it was used for something 
until I tried to update the Syngic maps..  when I got the dreaded 2FA message 
along with Lyon could try logging in from the device you used last” (which I 
was anyhow!).

Considering what Google was back in the day, it seems to be run by armatures 
and marketing people now…. How they survive.. well I reckon f they were removed 
from being the default search engine on a lot of platforms they would disappear 
into obscurity within a year or two.. even their search engine is mostly 
useless now (and has been for two years or more) displaying paid content and 
ignoring terms as an when it feels like it.  I can’t use it for most technical 
lookups anymore.  DuckDuckGo appears to be the next replacement.  From a 
personal perspective, if it does all go boom, the loss of the spam farm called 
G-“we’re too big to block”-mail will be a blessing on the world.

Michelle Sullivan
http://www.mhix.org/
If we don't find a way out of this soon, I'm gonna lose it. Lose it... It means 
go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of ones faculties, three 
fries short of a Happy Meal, wacko!

> On 27 Aug 2024, at 19:42, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> wrote:
> 
> Dnia 27.08.2024 o godz. 15:26:44 Viktor Dukhovni via mailop pisze:
>> 
>> Welcome to two-factor denial of service.  I try to resist signing up for
>> such baked-in disasters as much as I can, but the powers that be (hello
>> GitHub) have made it impossible in many cases.
>> 
>> It is a sad state of affairs that no opt-out is available for users who
>> manage strong per-site passwords, and prize long-term availability over
>> often dubious security advantages of said 2nd-factors.
> 
> Google sometimes does it even for accounts that don't have 2FA configured.
> I have a Google account (that I don't use for email, but for things like
> Google Drive, Google Docs etc.) registered with this very email address I'm
> sending this email from. This email is not (and never was) hosted at Google,
> but on my own server.
> 
> 2FA is not configured on this account and never was. Yet a few years ago it
> happened to me that when I logged in from an "unknown" device, Google FORCED
> me to add a phone number to my account to send the "verification code" to
> this number. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to log in. Which by the way at
> that point made no sense, because if it were an impersonator trying to log
> in to my account, he could add any phone number, as there was no phone
> number configured previously.
> 
> It still happens from time to time that when I login from an "unknown"
> device, Google sends a "verification code" to this phone number and doesn't
> let me in without typing that code. Despite NOT having 2FA configured.
> 
> Also it doesn't use the perfectly valid email address that is independent
> from Google to send this code. As far as I can remember (the last time it
> happened was quite a time ago, so I might be wrong), there is an option on
> the login screen to send the code to the email address, but I never got it
> to work.
> --
> Regards,
>   Jaroslaw Rafa
>   r...@rafa.eu.org
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