Hello Alex,

In List view, the right arrow expands the folder you’re on which is confusing. 
To open the folder you should use either Cmd-Down Arrow or Cmd-o. To go up a 
level, press Cmd-Up Arrow.

You can collapse all the expanded folders in your window by pressing Left Arrow 
repeatedly.

I always use List view as I find it more logical than column view.

Cheers,

Anne

On 14 Nov 2013, at 23:22, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I haven't worked that out, but I do not find arrow navigation to work as 
> well. Sometimes folders refuse to open or close entirely, and even if a 
> folder does close, I have to press the left arrow two or three times to get 
> that to happen. Ialso don't like how VO will keep reading, and worse, 
> searching as you type, past the end of the folder you are currently viewing. 
> You can be browsing way down inside a folder structure, then one wrong letter 
> and you've been jumped back out to land somewhere else in the top level. Yes, 
> you can arrow up or down to try to find where you were, but it is still 
> incredibly frustrating.
> On Nov 14, 2013, at 5:08 PM, Teresa Cochran <vegaspipistre...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Where in the folder structure do you go in list view to copy and paste? I 
>> understand that you have to be inside a folder. I’m actually getting used to 
>> list view now, and the arrow keys work the same way as in column view.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. 
>> Feynman
>> 
>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The only other view that seems usable is List View. I tried it today, 
>>> though, when I was copying 36 files from one folder to another. Despite VO 
>>> telling me I was two levels deep into a folder, I ended up pasting those 
>>> files into the top-level folder and had to go erase them all from there, 
>>> then paste in Column View. Still, given what Apple said, it seems a 
>>> clearing of the preferences won't help, unfortunately. At least I read your 
>>> message before I tried it. Thanks.
>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi guys
>>>> Below is what I received from Apple Accessibility concerning this issue. I 
>>>> had written in about this because it was driving me crayy. I have a lot of 
>>>> files on my Mac, and if I do the wrong thing then I have to deal. I know 
>>>> what I can do to work around it, but I just had a frustrating time trying 
>>>> to copy a folder because of this. Personally, instead of setting things 
>>>> over, I'm just going to keep going like I am until this bug gets squashed, 
>>>> I hope ASAP. I think doing work arounds is better than trying to redo your 
>>>> system to work around this. 
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings Eugenia,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for contacting Apple Accessibility. Unfortunately this is an issue 
>>>> that our Engineers are already investigating. This only happens with VO 
>>>> enabled and browsing in Column view. It can occur if a folder has anywhere 
>>>> from 30 files or over 500. I apologize that there is nothing that can be 
>>>> done at this time to fix this issue. Not even a reinstall will help. You 
>>>> will have to browse the Finder in another view such as List. The only real 
>>>> fix for this issue will come packaged in a software update. I also 
>>>> apologize that I am unable to provide if and when this update will be 
>>>> released. I hope you're at least able to get used to List view until we 
>>>> can take care of this one.
>>>> 
>>>> Apologies,
>>>> 
>>>> Apple Accessibility
>>>> 
>>>> Please also visit our sites
>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
>>>> http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:35 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I was checking my Twitter feed today, when I came across a link that I 
>>>>> think might help. It is a way to basically reset finder so that it no 
>>>>> longer consumes so much CPU. I have not tested it yet, I have a feeling 
>>>>> this might help with the problem that a lot of us are experiencing where 
>>>>> Finder goes busy in certain views. It is worth a try, if nothing else, 
>>>>> but be advised that you will have to redo all your settings. This would 
>>>>> include file extension views, custom views, tab and window preferences, 
>>>>> sidebar and desktop preferences, and more. Still, if it works, it would 
>>>>> be worth it. Here's the link so you can give it a try.
>>>>> http://osxdaily.com/2013/11/13/fix-finder-slow-high-cpu-use-mac-os-x/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_campaign=Feed:+osxdaily+(OS+X+Daily)&utm_content=buffer95dc0&utm_medium=twitter
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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